A year or so after the bankruptcy I was speaking to a group of students at a Christian university. I told them stories of Big Idea’s rise and fall, and the lessons I had learned from the experience. I gave my thoughts on the state of Christian media and the exciting opportunities I saw for them in the future. Afterwards, a young man said he needed to talk to me. As he walked with me towards my rental car, he said, “I know some guys who used to work at Big Idea.” Long pause. “They’re still really mad at you.” I fumbled vainly for an appropriate response. “I heard you speak last night,” he continued, “You didn’t apologize for what happened. Whenever you speak, you should apologize.” I sat in my car for a few minutes, mulling over his words.
A dream is a powerful thing. There is little more thrilling than seeing a dream come to life. And little more heartbreaking than watching it die.
Shortly after Jonah hit theaters, I got a letter from a fan in the Midwest with a two-page critique of the film. It hadn’t done as well as it could have, he explained, because of serious flaws in its story structure. He went on to explain Jonah’s flaws at great length. While some of his points were certainly well taken, what struck me more about the letter was the emotion behind it. He was angry. Really angry. He closed with the interesting statement that if I didn’t respond to his criticism, he would send his letter to major Christian magazines and “expose” our creative shortcomings to the entire Christian world.
A dream is a powerful thing. Letters like his made me realize just how much emotion people had invested in my dream. Not just the artists, designers and business people who had moved their families across the country to actively join the effort, but also the fans. This fellow, like many others, was so excited about my dream of a “Christian Disney” that my failure to deliver on that dream struck him much more deeply than you would expect. Big Idea had become his dream, too, and now that his dream was failing, he was angry.
When we lose something, be it a job, a relationship, or a dream, we want to know why. Whose fault was it? Who should I be mad at, because I really want to be mad at someone! So it was with Big Idea.
If you’ve read this entire account, it’s probably clear that multiple factors brought down Big Idea Productions. The Lyrick lawsuit certainly sealed the deal, but it’s unlikely that lawsuit would have happened if our dire cash need hadn’t forced us to switch distributors in search of new advances. So Jonah is to blame! Well, maybe a little – but certainly not entirely. True, if Jonah hadn’t been put into production the cash need would have been less. But what if we’d had the production management in place to produce the film for my $7 million goal, and the discipline to see that it was marketed for $7 million as well? And remember, as of April of 2000, the company needed $20 million to survive through the Jonah production even though Jonah was at that point only a $7 million film. The rest of the money was needed to cover our gross over-hiring in areas like marketing, human resources and design. And what led to the over-hiring? The wild enthusiasm of 1998 and 1999, inspired partly by exponential sales growth up to that point, partly by the general “irrational exuberance” of that era in business history (think “dot-com”), and partly by the misreading of the VeggieTales business as a packaged goods business, rather than an entertainment business.
So the members of that first executive team are the villains! You could probably come to that conclusion, but I don’t think so. I mean, can I really blame packaged goods executives for attempting to use packaged goods marketing techniques to sell films that ultimately show up on store shelves as – packaged goods? And VeggieTales success itself had become a huge challenge. Whenever you have an unprecedented hit, future planning becomes extraordinarily difficult simply because there are no precedents. There were no comparables for VeggieTales. Our sales had skyrocketed 3300% in four years! Against that backdrop, how do you project the future? More skyrocketing? Was our growth almost done, or just getting started? Look at another example: Between Christmas 2003 and Christmas 2004, sales of Apple’s iPod increased by a staggering 500%. A huge success, but also a huge challenge. How many iPods do you make for Christmas 2005? 500% more than 2004? 100% more? 10% less? Unprecedented success is extremely difficult to manage simply because it is unprecedented. Every year is a big ol’ guess. Guess wrong one way and you’ll choke your success by running out of product or not having enough man-power to support the demand. Guess wrong the other way, and you could crash and burn right in the midst of your success. As wrong as the forecasts my team made in 1999 ended up being, I honestly believe they did the best they could with the information and the experience they had.
Ultimately, of course, I could have overruled them at any point. I could have stopped the hiring. Cut staff. Decreased the forecasts. Redirected the strategies. As controlling shareholder, CEO and sole boardmember (building a board of directors was something we often discussed but never got around to actually doing), I had the final word on everything. So who is ultimately to blame for the collapse of Big Idea. Well, me, of course. Sure, I could blame the guy who engineered the distribution moves that sparked the lawsuit, but he wouldn’t have had to do that if I hadn’t allowed the company to become so huge and indebted. I could blame our production management for not sticking to my original plan for Jonah, but then I have to remind myself that when the film went into production, wehad no production management. And I could blame the first executive team for making the company so huge, but then I have to remember that one of the things that attracted them to Big Idea in the first place was a line I put into our mission statement way back in 1997 – something about building “a top 4 family media brand within 20 years.” A statement that sounded an awful lot like we were supposed to get really big. A statement that, even at the time, I was pretty sure had emanated suspiciously from my own noggin in response to a business book exercise, as opposed to from God after much prayer and reflection.
So there you have it. The real culprit is Jim Collins, author of the book Built to Last. Oh, if only it were that easy. I have seen the enemy, and he is me. My strengths built Big Idea, and my weaknesses brought it down. Throughout Big Idea’s history, my business instincts were generally quite good. But I had no experience managing people or leading teams to accomplish goals. I had, after all, spent my high school years in the basement experimenting with film cameras and computers. I was a shy kid who would rather read Starlog Magazine or build a rudimentary optical printer out of cannibalized 8mm projectors than show up at the prom or run for student government. As VeggieTales took off, I became terrified that my business inexperience and lack of people skills would result in Big Idea’s failure. So, in a panic, I brought in others to help, often spending far too little time getting to know them before or after the hire. I then backed down from my own convictions, assuming that an executive with an impressive resume surely knew better than a Bible college dropout. And I launched projects like Jonah before we were really ready to handle them, assuming we’d figure things out on the fly as I had done in the basement and with the very first VeggieTales episode. The result was some amazingly rabid fans, and absolute organizational chaos. The result was the rise – and fall – of Big Idea.
For the record, I’m sorry. A lot of wonderful people brought their dreams to Big Idea. And almost all of them were deeply affected both by the persistent organizational chaos and by the trauma of the slow, painful collapse. The ultimate responsibility for both lie with me. And I’m really, really sorry. Just as Big Idea really wasn’t ready to tackle the production challenge of Jonah, I really wasn’t ready to tackle the management challenge of Big Idea.
There. Now I’ve said it.
That’s the story of the fall of Big Idea. I’m sure there are a few more questions you’d like to ask, like, “So what did you learn, Phil?” and the big one, “Why do you think God allowed all that to happen?” This series of posts became the basis for my book, Me, Myself & Bob, which you can now find in many bookstores and, if all else fails, at Amazon. I’d put the whole book up here on my site, but my publisher might get a little cranky with me. To hear the rest of the story – how VeggieTales came to life in the first place and what God taught me through the entire crazy experience, check out the book! You can buy it now by clicking the button below.
Thanks for putting these up again! 🙂
Thanks Phil for sharing your story. My kids grew up on Veggie Tales. We have all the movies. Now we have more little added to our family. Our oldest is 12 and youngest 1 years old. God has used Veggie Tales to bless and mold our children, along with What’s in the Bible and others produced. We know as business owners that sometimes God allows us to go through dark valleys. But His word promises that He will never leave us nor forsake us. He will be with you every day, along the way. His plans for you are good and all that He has for you will come to pass. Listen to the voice and direction of the Holy Spirit as He whispers to your heart, this is the way to go, walk in it. We will continue to keep you and yours in prayer. Your legacy lives on! In Christ, Adria and Charles and the kids
I cried when I read the story.
Thank you so much for your honesty, humility, and humor in the face of your failures and mistakes. I really respect you for that. And I learned a lot from reading your story.
WOW! What a great, and tragic, story. I was saddened to hear of the crash of Big Idea – but had not idea of what happened behind the scenes.
Regardless of all the legal issues, bitter former employees, poor decisions and risks – you created a great product. Your hard work and even mistakes are an ispiration to others to push the envelope. You scratched the surface of a market that is longing for fun entertainment without a “heavy” message. This allows the mainstreem to accept it – when they might run from a full out Christian theme.
For what it is worth – my kids don’t know or understand business. What they know is – the love Bob and Larry. They still sing the silly songs.
Disney lost his first creations through poor legal decisions. If he didn’t take that hit – he never would have gone back to the drawing board and created a mouse.
Get back on the horse. Create again.
Steve
Wow. I thought I’d read a part or two and ended up reading the whole story. What an incredible, albeit emotionally draining (even with your regular injections of humour), experience. I work at a small, independent Christian high school, and so many of the struggles you identify on a larger scale have dogged us as we seek to grow; however, we remain humble and hopeful and depend on God for guidance. Hearing you, even after all you have endured, inspires me to cling more closely to my conviction in the importance of what we do, of the role I play in that mission, and of seeking God’s guidance in all of it.
I have heard, and believe it to be true, that great leaders credit success to the team and bear responsibility for failure upon themselves. Some may read this is see failure; I read your story and see a great leader.
I am also very emotionally affected by your words because my children love your work. Your programs have generated much spiritual dialogue in our home. My son has drawn and continues to draw Larry-Boy; I’m sure he has drawn him a thousand times over the last two years. My daughter is delighted by every episode of Veggie Tales and gets frustrated if I sing the songs–she wants to hear them as they are presented: pure and un-defiled by my inadequate voice!
Both ask questions about the root issues presented.
Although your original dream did not flesh out, you created a positive legacy that continues and, prayerfully, will continue to draw children and families toward the Bible and God. Thank you for that.
Don
Thank you for sharing all of this. I hope and pray you will be able to create beautiful things for God again, and our family will look forward to it!
God bless you!
My kids, as well as myself have just discovered the joys of Bob, Larry and the VeggieTales group. Your creations are still continuing to entertain and teach my children and I appreciate that.
Thank you!
A fascinating story. Thanks for posting this, Mr. Vischer.
As a film critic and a somewhat reluctant atheist, I’m not one of your natural allies, but I honestly can say that Jonah is a terrific movie that my kids and I have watched many many times. They even play the computer game.
The big idea behind Big Idea — children’s entertainment with solid family values — is still extremely needed in the market and in our homes. Please continue your excellent work.
Did I say work? I mean, your excellent goofy humour, singable songs, out-of-left-field wit, and general shenanigans!
Peace
Mr. Vischer,
My sons have watched VeggieTales since 1998, and honestly, after reading your account of your company’s life, my previous opinion about the innocent and alive quality of the pre-Jonah Tales seems justified.
I was actually doing a Google search for some VeggieTales products for my 5 year old. I had absolutely no idea you even went bankrupt. How is that for being in the know? I consider myself an atheist to the god of society (most frequently taught in a lot of Orthodox Theology) but am dedicated to the relationship with my maker.
With this background I hope you understand better my sincerity in the following words.
Your ministry may have experienced amazing financial success through the birth and pubescence of Big Ideas, but really, the success of your mission (if I understand it correctly) is found in the adulthood, maturity, retirement, and “passing” of Big Ideas.
There are some powerful messages in what you write and I hope that if your desire has always been to advocate for the principles of your god, and to leave something that will last for hundreds of years, then you feel harmony in that purpose. It is the study of those later years of BigIdea’s that really serve as a message far more vital than can ever be propagated from a graduate of Bible School. It is a message that can be understood by all faiths beyond Christianity, even private folk like me, as we all look for meaning, our purpose, and communicating with that higher power.
I hope your family has been physically provided for through the changes of the past decade.
On a moral mortal level, thank you for the financial lessons about business, the No Man’s Land, and a general reminder of the filthiness of attorneys.
Lori
Thank you Phil for offering up a very candid look at something that I am certain is very painful to relive. My Wife and I discovered Veggie tales with “Wheres God when I am scared” and have loved them ever since. Now my two young children share that same joy and I plan on holding on to all of the videos to pass along to their posterity.
In the final analysis it is just that contribution to an entire generation of children on which Big Idea will be judged. Regardless of the trials, discouragement, and failures endured you are to be lauded and thanked for what you and the entire staff at Big Idea have produced. Even Jonah’s own story can serve as a backdrop..did things turn out as Jonah had desired? Yet we read thousands of years later with great thankfullness and learn much from Jonah endured.
I believe that when you finally arrive in heaven you are going to meet literally millions who are going to recognize you for the work you did and the impact you had on them via the collective voices of a group of animated vegetables.
God Bless!
My whole family loves Veggie Tales. I have actually listened to the Silly Songs CD in the car (the Cheesburger Song is my favorite). I’m saddened to read of your troubles and impressed with your candor and attitude. I hope that my 6 month old will be able to enjoy Bob and Larry when he’s ready. Regardless of your business issues, you have created something so good, and so unique, and so special, that nothing else compares. Whether you know it or not, you’ve got millions of friends out here. Good luck and God bless.
First, thank you very much for this information. It couldn’t have been easy to revisit all that went wrong and your part in it. I know it wouldn’t be for me.
Second, my kids, my wife, and I were in the minority and liked the Larry-boy 2D, and the 321 Penguins series as much (or nearly so) as the other Veggie Tales.
Third, what a wonderful legacy! I’m a database programmer. I know God can and does use me, but God has used and will continue to use your faithfulness along with that of all those who worked so hard at Big Idea to reach so many more people, children AND their parents than I can ever hope to. Thank you so much. Really. Thank you.
This is an amazing story, and I thank you for telling it with such honesty.
This made me so sad 🙁
My husband, our 4 children and I are all huge Veggie Tales fans. Since we live in Nashville, I was familiar with Big Idea as a company, but I had no idea that the company,and you, had been through so many trials. The message you & the folks that work with you give to the world is so uplifting, so very Christian in a secular world, that I pray that you’ll be able to continue your ministry. I respectyou for taking responsibility for what happened, and I’m sure God is leading you to learn from this and use it to the gloryof his Name. God bless you, Lisa and your family. Please continue making quality Christian entertinment that teaches our children Jesus’ message of love and grace. We need you!
Dang.
How very, very sad. All I can think to say is, “better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all.” Our family is and will always be grateful to you and your team for the wonderful memories my wife and I have of watching VeggieTales together with our children. In fact, I can’t imagine how our children could have grown up without them.
God bless.
I heard you on WGST in Atlanta this morning; came home and read the entire blog. Thanks for sharing your heart through this story; many, like me, in ministry can relate to it. Whether or not God uses you again to do anything similar, I get the felling that you know Him and His love for you more through this failure than any “success”. Thank God that you, me, we are “Built to Last” — in Christ and for eternity!!!
Phil,
Thanks for the summary. I’m sorry it ended this way. It’s like losing a cherised family member.
We’re all waiting to see what the next Really Big Idea is, though. Anyone who can think up a talking tomato and cucumber can’t be held down by mere circumstances, eh?
Dear Mr. Vischer,
I could really relate to the idea that we, your loyal viewing public, would be angry about changes at Big Idea. But, after reading your blog, I am soo sorry for everything that has happened to you and your company. Thank you for sharing this obviously painful info with us. I have been a Veggie Fan since the first video. And I am not ashamed to say that it was 6 years before I even had kids!!! I am grateful for your explanations. When I started hearing about all the ruckus with NBC ect. , I thought that my world had slipped off its axis. I was hurt and angry that Big Idea would compromise itself. Now I understand and will tell others about your blog. We are with you and will continue to support YOUR work.
Tell Bob and Larry we love them.
Loyal to the end,
Christin, and my kids: Elia, Zakharia and Yaya
I was flipping through the channels and saw the qubo. I’m so sorry your loss. You are a brilliant story teller and song writer. Don’t hide your gift. Don’t stop making great video for Christ. Never give up. You have made a huge impact on my children and my family.
Phil, as a grandmother that was iintroduced to your creative Veggie Tales, I want to thank you for what you have done and how they are so good for our children. There are so many lessons to teach our children about God and you were teaching them so much with your stories. I have read all of your comments about the rise and fall of you heart and soul work. Thank you for your talent, your insight to reach our children about things they need to know and understand about how God loves us and wants us to love others. Stay close to God and you will see how he will use your talents again. Sometimes God says no to us and we can’t see why. We just have to remember, “All things work together for good to them that love God, to those who are called according to His purpose”, Romans 8:28. Hold on to him. God bless you and your family, He will see you through.
A candid account. The biggest problem, I think, is that Christians have a tendancy to deceive themselves into thinking that worldly success is God’s stamp of approval.
Phil, two things…Darren’s right and you and I are very much alike.
Darrens Right…
As I read the entire account I was incredibly surprised to learn that this all happened as I discovered Veggie Tales. I still can’t believe it!
No really, I can’t.
But as I mull the account over in my noggin, I realize that Darren is quite right. Getting the message out does not always equal meterioc “worldy” success. Look at Jesus’ ministry 3 years, stuck on a cross, yet those 36 months of ministry changed human existence for ever. Phil, your “short” emotional roller coaster ride at Big Idea has changed human history for ever believe it or not. When I read previous posts like those of the “atheist” and other adults it’s quite obvious that the ministry has touched the older kids as much as it has the tots.
Your team’s work will ring through eternity.
You and I are very much alike.
I am easily moved…emotionally, wierd for most guys, but I am. As I read of the inspritaion you got from the book Bult to Last, and the times you broke down and cried. I felt a kindred spirit. When you wrote that your strengths built Big Idea and your weakness brought it down. I felt as though I was reading the tea leaves of my own company’s future. When you wrote of your fears that made you hire the wrong team. I realize that I too have weaknesses that right now is causing my very small one man design shop to flounder. As a Christian operating in a very secular world it’s easy to measure our success by Fortune 500’s and opening weekend box office numbers. This all tinged with a good dose of faith to make it all go down nice.
I think we fool ourselves.
Your account should be a lesson to all faith-led business leaders on the up and up.
This I believe is what I will take away from this most touching, humorous and life altering account:
Let us not judge our pilgrimage by it’s context, but by it’s destination.
I’ll end with just this.
Rom. 8: 28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
Hi, Mr. Vischer.
I really love VeggieTales, I always have. Bob and Larry leave a legacy each time they come out. I got sadder and sadder as I continued reading the story. Thank-you for writing this. Please write a book if you ever get the chance, I believe that writing the history on such a powerful American and Christian icon would not only sell pretty big, but make an impression. Ofcourse no one would no for shure. Except for God, ofcourse.
I have a few questions though, if you still read comments posted, after the angry letters you may have gotten. What will happen to VeggieTales and BigIdea? What is happening now? Is it still working as Big Idea, only bought by someone else? Are you still incharge? Forgive me for such out-of-the loop questions. Please e-mail me if you get the chance. Thanks 🙂
Hoping to see more VeggieTales, and founder who has not given up on his dreams,
VeggieFan
Mr. Vischer,
I heard you speak on air with Rick and Bubba in Birmingham last week and had to read the entire story. I must say that I am so sorry for all you and others had to edure while my family was being introduced to and loving the “Veggies.” I remember coming home every evening and having to watch a Veggie Tales video with my youngest daughter (and the whole family) before doing anything else. I also remember a 10 hour drive on vacation where we memorized every “Silly Song” as we drove. There are also memories of meeting Bob and Larry at our local Lifeway store. All of these are things I will never forget and you can be proud of. The Lord is still being glorified through your efforts. Never give up on your dream and put those talents to work. Oh, by the way, my child who is now almost nine is starting to watch the videos again! Thanks again and tell Bob & Larry Hello.
And remember Jeremiah 29: 11-13
Wow, I had no idea. I’m a relatively new fan of Veggie Tales (having kids will do that). and didn’t know the history of Big Idea.
Thanks for posting this. We can all learn something from this, if you are in business or not.
Okay Phil,
I have just devoted my sunday afternoon to the epic endeavor of reading your 11-part saga of the demise of Big Idea. By walking through this story along with you, I could honestly feel your overwhelm, brokenheartedness and general loss. It broke my heart. I am so thankful that you decided to take the time out to tell this story. It is extremely powerful, Phil.
I am a twenty-two year old girl with ambitions to pursue computer animation as a ministry, and Veggie Tales has been an inspiration to me.
Despite this story, never forget the lives that have been changed by the stories you and Mike have told. Lives continue to be changed, and the love of God is shining through in your work.
We live in a fallen world. You have experienced first-hand the evils of corporate america. But you will never be forsaken. The world may chew us up and spit us out, but Jesus will never leave our side. I hope that comforts you, as it does to me on my rough days.
Phil, I felt the emotion in your words. I felt the failure. But all I can say is that god has gifted you with the ability to tell stories. He has gifted you with a love for animation and the arts. You have the kind of talent people dream they had. You have truly inspired me. You have encouraged me that Christians can spread the word of God in a medium (Television/movies) that is often used to spread sin and ugliness.
Phil, bless you, your wife and your children. In the end, on our death beds, those loved ones are the only things that truly matter. The rest is just filler.
Mr. Vischer…
Thanks for just being faithful and helping to create something that continues to sow precious seed into people of all ages. This is what really matters…the eternal legacy…and it is indeed very healthy. If only one child learned about God’s love through your efforts and those connected to Big Idea…the whole thing was worth it.
My family has followed VTs for many years, have the complete collection and remember these events from afar (as video production folks we saw changes afoot in the credits). I am glad to know the complete story….albeit sad. My kids even now are still excited about new episodes being produced. These truths are timeless.
I understand that NBC has not been the best venue recently either, but remember that God can still use this opening to peak someone’s interest enough to then drive to Walmart and buy something that may introduce them and their family to God for the first time ever in a real way. It is just amazing to me just to see them (media and related) sitting at Walmart…and that door is still open and thriving. How many millions of kids and parents/grandparents have been reached through this one channel alone? This is enough to shout victory about for the ages!
You did the best you could with God’s help. Just let it go. People fail us, systems fail us and times change….that doesn’t mean we somehow made stinker decisions on purpose. There wasn’t like an existing playbook on the creation/marketing of biblically based animated vegatables or anything was there? Seems like a good run to me given the history and time period.
I would echo previous comments by other posters. Take some time and refresh with God then get back on the horse and continue riding into new challenges.
God Bless you and your family!
Jeffrey @ Athens Ohio
(stop by for dinner sometime!)
Dear Phil,
Im not a Christian and dont pretend to be. But what you did with Veggietales is one of the greatest things I have ever seen. My little girl, she is five loves your shows your videos. I love watching them with here. While I am by no means a devout Christian what you are teaching is what I recall relgion being about when i was a kid. Teaching you how to be a good person.
Reading this story I cried a lot. A good man who made some bad choices and had some bad luck. Be strong and you will make it. What you have done is exposed a whole world of children to something extremely good. My daughter is better off for it.
i thank you.
Sincerely
John Manard
I am hardly the “target” audience for Veggie Tales, but I’m not ashamed to say that as a twenty-something I love them. The stories are fabulous and amusing, the nods to older viewers–using opera for some of Larry’s Silly Songs, “Lord of the Rings”, “Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde”–are brilliant.
I just wanted to say how much I appreciated the blogs on Big Idea’s bankruptcy. It was open and honest, and I hope it goes a long way to heal what has happened for everyone. God bless.
After reading your story (which I can really relate to at present) my burning questions are:
“So what did you learn, Phil?” and the big one, “Why do you think God allowed all that to happen?”
Mr.V
You are an inspiriaton to men everywhere. You did not blame anyone, sling mud, or be nasty. You told the facts.
I have “failed” many times, but dreams never die-they change. You have inspired me to “get up one more time” and follow the destiny God has called me to.
My kids love your product and your commitment to God.
Keep up the good work
Mr. Vischer, thank you for your honest but painful acocunt of the trials that you, Bob, and Larry have been through. My family has been a huge Veggie fan for the past 4 years and I had no idea of what was going on behind the scenes.
I appreciated your apology at the end of your story, but I believe you put too much of the blame on yourself. You did not single-handedly run Big Idea into the ground. Please remember that.
My children love Veggie Tales! My 3-year-old sings the songs lying in bed. My 6-year-old finds the stories in her Bible. And my husband and I do a rousing rendition of the “SUV Song” – or least we try.
You should keep trying too. God doesn’t expect perfection. He just expects us to do our best. And that’s good enough for Him.
May God continue to bless you and your family and your work. Have fun with it. It shows on the screen, whether big or small. And God’s love shows through Bob and Larry, and that’s the most important thing!
I was introduced to VeggieTales about 3 years ago and we have found them to be delightful treats for our three children. As an MBA student currently, I read your story with the critical eye of business that I am being taught. I have also watched the films with a critical eye. There are a lot of questions that will probably go unanswered for a long time, but here are my thoughts if it helps.
1. It is very likely that God allowed Big Idea to fail for the same reason he let Job fail. But remember that Satan himself was the detroyer of Job not God and we know that the forces of evil are alive and well in the entertainment world. I am sure there were many licking their lips when Big Idea was on a tear hoping to see it stumble. You clearly met some of them in your journeyings.
2. Many people are angry at you and want you to apologize. That’s a ridiculous and immature response, although a little sincerity on your part couldn’t hurt :). The world of business in awash in stories of failure. Those who merely want to punch a clock and earn a day’s wage will never appreciate this. Bill Gates first unsuccessful business attempt was trying to sell a computer program for traffic lights. I am sure neither he nor Microsoft would be as successful without those first few missteps.
3. You had a wonderful vision of being a Top 4 Family Media Brand in 20 years. Unfortunately, I don’t know how this could be accomplished with just Bob and Larry. Sure they have strong appeal but in 1996 I think you should of been thinking how to expand the franchise beyond just VeggieTales. Your president from LA was clearly on the right path with LarryBoy and 1-2-3…Unfortunately he didn’t have the creative juices to turn them into the hit that Bob and Larry were and are. The good news is you now can start thinking about that new franchise.
4. What doesn’t kill you either makes you stronger or bitter so you run off and kill yourself in response. Well, you are still alive and able to talk about your story so think about it? Do you see yourself making the same mistakes in business again? ABSOLUTELY NOT I am sure. You are wiser and savvier than you probably realize. You will now not tolerate cash drains, creative drains, executives who sulk behind the scenes…you’ve learned who to trust, not to trust, what to look for in leaders…stiffen your spine, learn to bark orders, and build the empire you envision. It can be done. You now know how and got what it takes!
Oh, and God Bless : )
tks phil, i am in the process of losing my own business . i have awesome people working for me and the thought of letting them go has been horrible for me. I know that God is in control though and look to him for guidance. it has been soooo hard. tks for sharing your story , it sometimes feels like i am the only person that has ever lost a business. I saw you on james robison this morning and it was so exciting to see you with your new ideas!!! I will pray for your sucess .
Wow! I have never sat at a computer and been so captivated! I saw you on Life Today and had to come and get onto your website to find out what happened. I wasn’t prepared for the whole story but I couldn’t tear myself away once I began reading. When I saw you on TV this morning, I could not help but to weep for you and to pray and ask God to bless your new book about the pigs a lot. I pray that God will make it bigger than Larry and Bob. I feel that He hears your heart and sees your repentance and will honor your humility in sharing your story. Your testimony has really helped me in how I look at my dreams and will be a guide to remind me to always be led by the spirit of God instead of my own thoughts. May God bless you and keep you, may He shine his face upon you, May he turn his face to you and give you peace and may he continue to me merciful to you. In Jesus name. AMEN!!!!!f
Dear Mr V.
I saw you today on James Robinson’s show and was shocked. I cried as I listened to your story and I had to get online to read more. I have been a great fan of Veggie Tales for years and I have used them in my classroom for many years. I teach in a Christian school. I had no idea about all that you have been through. I saw your new Saturday morning show and I thought all must be going great at Big Idea.
I was deeply touched by your willingness to be so transparent and talk about watching your dream be sold to the highest bidder. It caused me to examine some things in my life from a totally new perspective.
Blessings, blessings, blessings to you my brother.
Our God is faithful and I am sure the end of the story has not been written yet. Thank you !!
Phil,
I must admit, I was nearly in tears at the end of your story. Seriously, I wanted to find you and give you a hug and tell you that “God loves you very much.” ( Can you believe a “guy” is writing this!).
Phil, there is so much I want to say, but, it is the Spirit that gives life, and the flesh counts for nothing. So if I speak, I will speak what the Spirit wishes to convey.
In the gospel account of John the Baptist, we see an extraordinary occurence. John’s ministry rises in popularity so that all are coming to see him, the great and the small, the rich and the poor. Everything was super duper in this man of God’s life. But John realized one thing. That he was only there for a short time and that ultimately, when it came down to it, his ministry was expendable. You see, his ministry was to point people to Christ. And once the eyes of the people were taken off him and clearly focused on Christ, John was no longer needed. He even said himself, “I must decrease, and he must increase.” And what was John’s end you might ask? Surely he would ride off into the sunset and have several streets named after him. Well, not exactly. First, imprisonment and then beheading? What a way to go. And yet, even though his end was gruesome, Jesus declared to the people, “Among those born of woman, there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist.”
I could go on Phil, but I think you see my point. I wonder, as you sit here reflecting on the past several years, I wonder what Jesus is saying about what you have done Phil? Did you really fail? Because the message you brought to my kids, (and me I might add, I learned the story of Esther throught you!) lives on, and will continue. You have become less, but the Lord continues on, Phil.
I am grateful to all of you at Big Idea. You don’t know how many people you have brought laughter and joy to. But you will know one day…
Thanks
Rich
I hope you write a book about your experiences! My dad has gone through major business losses several times in his life (and one time ended up in Jail), and once became very bitter towards God. I’ve always thought it was because of his self-ambition over God’s will. A testimony like yours could benefit so many!
Phil,
We’re huge veggie fans (and Penguins too). My oldest daughter (now nine) has been watching since she was like 6 months old. You are one of my heros, but I had no clue about all this until tonight.
I don’t watch TV (except with my kids)–not even Christian stations usually. But late tonight I had the sense that I needed to turn on a Christian station and you were on, talking to James Robison. Thank you for sharing your story! I’m sorry for your loss, but your willingness to share it has touched me.
I’m a college campus minister that was just starting to see real success on campus. Then, just as my dreams started taking shape, my lack of management skills and a seemingly good partnership have seemed to put them in a downward spiral. Some days its nice to know you’re not alone, and its nice to be reminded of God’s hand on us whether we “rise” or “fall.”
Blessings and Prayers,
Scott
I just watched you on a Christian talk show on the Church Channel. You told your story. I found your web site and read even more. I ordered several copies of your book. I appreciate you for your courage and efforts. God loves you! Please continue to love God first and always. Allow God to love you.
And dream on keeping this perspective, because God desires your creativity for his children! I pray for you all the continued wisdom and success that God desires for you!
Mr. Vischer:
I just found your website today, and read through all the moving account of the rise and fall of your “Big Idea”. I’ve been a fan since someone gave us a copy of Madame Blueberry many years ago (when it was the newest video). Since that time, I’ve purchased every one of the VeggieTales, 321Penguins and even the “Larry 2D” shows. For some reason, I missed the whole bankruptcy thing in the news, and didn’t even realize the company had been restructured until i came across your website today (guess i’m not the most observant). At any rate, wanted to let you know that as a longtime fan, I admire the work you’ve done, and wish you the best in your future endeavors. You’ve impacted my life, and the lives of my children for good, and I’m sure you will continue to do more of the same in the future. May God continue to bless you and your family. Thanks for sharing your story.
My children and I are Veggie Tales fans. I teach Sunday School and absolutely love all the beautiful, creative Veggie Tale stories. I just wanted to encourage you, your family and everyone else that was discouraged during this difficult time. Above all, God is faithful and just. We can’t always understand why He allows things to happen, but if we LOVE HIM, it will all work out for our good. In my own personal life I am holding on to the “hem of His garment” and keeping my eyes on HIM, not on the situation I’m in. You see my husband passed away suddenly and unexpectedly when he was 37, I was 36. That was 5 years ago and I am raising two children on my own. I can truly say that I know what it is like to “walk through the valley of darkeness” but this journey has only made my faith in the Lord Jesus stronger as I completely rely on Him for everything. Please be encouraged by knowing that you have truly blessed many people and that seeds have been planted but it is God who will bring in the harvest. An attitude of gratitude is what has helped me get through. I am so truly thankful that God chose me to be the wife of a truly godly and special man. Even though we were only together for 10 years, they were the most incredible years of my life. I’m thankful that I have two beautiful children that are constant reminders to me as I always see characteristics of my husband in them. I don’t know what the future will bring, but what I do know is that God has a PERFECT plan for me. It might not be MY plan but He has promised to never leave me or forsake me. Amen. By the way, I live in Australia and am trying to find out how I can get a copy of your new book “Sidney & Norman”. Will keep trying. Bye for now. Angela.
Phil and Lisa,
I don’t really know where to start but I guess I’ll start with this: My family has been a fan of VeggieTales since 1995 when my oldest daughter was only 2. We have made a media event in our house out of each subsequent new release; Always watching the new episodes, including Larry Boy and 3-2-1 Penguins, as a family. In an effort to keep my comments short I’ll try to give you the high points. I was called to pastor as a teenager but had big ideas of my own. (pun intended) In April of 2002 while watching “The Star of Christmas” on my couch with my children, I was moved to tears and had to leave the room because the little church and it’s little vegatable pastor had caused me to come under such deep conviction. I surrendered, went to Bible College, graduated in June of 2005 and then did something that was TOTALLY not my idea. In May of this year my wife, myself, and our five VeggieTales lovin’ daughters packed up from our hometown (which was the place of our birth!) and moved to a new city to start a new church because that’s what God put in our hearts to do. I can actually say that I am a pastor today because of YOUR ministry. My words are probably not the first of this type that you’ve heard but please receive into your hearts what I’m about to say; the anointing of God is irrevocable and YOU ARE ANOINTED! Thank you for who you are and thank you for all that you’ve done and continue to do.
You are loved,
David
Hey Phil,
I am exhausted, but I couln’t NOT read your story (english major) you have a gift in expressing information (however troubling or not) in suck an entertaining way (how did you get like that?) you crack me up, even though the visualization of that expression creates a painful picture, where did that expression come from? Why would you want some one to crack you up? It’s like saying, you fragment me. Scary. Anyway, thank you for sharing, your writing is great, I learned a lot and I hope the new big idea stays small in you and hugh in God. Thanks again for sharing.
I am wondering now if I want to purchase 3-2-1 Penguins or other DVDs who profits?
Hi Phil,
Thanks for sharing your story. I had writer’s block tonight, so I started cleaning out my emails and read the reviews for your new book. For some reason, I decided to link up to your website and read your business story. Wow… I’m rethinking my business vision as I take part of an entrepreneurship class at the local tech college. It was a timely read. You’re story really clarified for me that I need to really understand my business and not give it to the “pros” without a good plan. I hope you teach your story to people in business. It is so valuable!
May God Bless you & your family.
Nancy
Phil, Lisa, and Others
Wow. I was surprised to find that I never got bored while reading 11 pages of nonfiction. My dad found this somehow and told me what happened yesterday. I had no idea any of this happened. I had merely heard about Big Idea getting sued by some group called Lyric (who I thought was the name of Big Idea’s animation studio… oops). Even though I don’t watch Veggie Tales much anymore (17, male), I appreciate the clean humor I laugh at that younger kids wouldn’t notice (the DVD menu transitions, animations, and layout from “Lord of the Beans” comes to mind), the stuff mom and dad guffaw about (“Sunny and Cher”, etc.), and all the intriguing stuff I learn during your commentaries. (What’s with no commentary on “Lord of the Beans”. I was so disappointed I probably almost broke something!) I also think the quality is much better than most other Christian films that I’ve (had the misfortune to have) seen. I only wish there was something this good targetted toward teens and young adults.
As for your story, it must have been so sad to fire people. That’s something I may have to do eventually, and I’m not looking forward to it. The legal stuff intrigued me, given the great clarifications regarding the legal world that I gained in “Business Law I” last spring. I hope they at least had interesting light fixtures to keep you busy.
I feel keenly aware of God’s providence after having read this. Why? I want to pursue a career in music (as a songwriter and singer or guitar player) and/or make video games. I have yet to see a well made (at least, for an audience over 10) Christian-based video game. (Though there are a couple excellent title I’ve wondered about, as the plots were certainly influenced by Biblical events.) As such, I noticed some of the mistakes I’ve made in my own goals for my would-be game series, such as desiring commercial success when that’s really none of my business (no pun intended). My interest in computers and the amazement I felt in a two-week summer course on 3d animation have in the past made me entertain the idea of trying to work for Big Idea some day. I hope God will use me and my Little Ideas (hmmm… now there’s a potential company name) in the future, just as He has already used you and the others at Big Idea.
May the peace that passes all understanding guard your hearts and minds in Jesus Christ.
Sincerely,
“Cuthalion”
P.S. If you email the people who post things here, I’d love to hear from you.
Well done.
May we live for the purpose of glorifying God – through the power of Christ in us!
His word will always accomplish His purpose! Fill your films with God’s Word.
but my God shall supply all your need, according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus… Phil. 4:19
Many blessings to you and your family! Your story is so heart-breaking, but I want to confirm what many others have said… your legacy will live on! The messages you created will continue to have a positive influence on kids and adults for many years to come. Obviously, God has given you an amazing gift of being able to bring people to Him, even the non-believers. I pray that you can keep your positive attitude, that you know how respected and admired you are, and that you find purpose in your life again (I can’t wait to see what you do next).
Thanks again for all your hard work. You are a light in the darkness!
Blessings from a VeggieTales Mom,
Summer W – Alabama
Phil, through all those tribulations, God has blessed so many. VT contiues to minister to chilren of all ages. Your story has ministered to many that have read it. God is truly marvelous, and has a greater plan in mind.
I pray that those that are angry and hurt by these circumstances find forgiveness and healing. I pray that God will continue to work through you and Mike and all those that work with you and support you. I look forward to it, even.
On a personal note, I’ve been a fan since 1997. My children (4, 2 and newborn) are also fans. You do the math. 😉 I also had the honor of seeing a muskrat with Mike’s parents in Colorado a couple years ago. He was kind enough to give us Larry’s autograph. Thanks again so much for your ministry.
All I can say is…
“God is bigger than the boogie man
He’s bigger than Godzilla
Or the monsters on TV
Oh, God is BIGGER than the boogie man
And He’s watching out for you and me!”
My girls will always remember their VeggieTales videos…and so will my wife and me.
Phil,
I heard you speak in Charlott NC. at NYWC. I was so blessed to hear you. It was amazed at your frankness and willingness to share what was your private pain. I want to thank you for the phrases that includes “God could have saved the day etc., but he didnt.” This reminded me of how I needed to focus on God not just the vision. I have just finished reading the 11 pages. I know God is with you guiding you. Thank you!
That was an incredible story. I saw the parallels between your story and the rise and fall of my own business. Your next calling may be lecturing business classes. I look forward to your discussions on what you learned and why did God allow this to happen
I dont Know what it is you heard from God on your former company, but you have to remember we have an enemy who
seeks to destroy any means we have of reaching people for the sake of the gospel. Your ministry was a portal for God to
reach the younger generation with entertainment and messages based on biblical principals. But know this, the enemy has only succeeded infiring up more artists like yourself to selflessly promote the gospelthrough 3d animation or any other media that we can. Your dream has not died, only slowed down. Im a 3d animator just like yourself and im looking to make short films and feature length films geared towards teenagers and young adults. Youve inspired me to push even harder to realize my own dreams and I thank God for using you
to reach the children and inspiring others. I hope to see your next project soon and God bless you and your family.
P.S. If you do happen to respond to any of these comments I would love to hear from you
chubbycubbies.comBy far one of the best testimonials I have ever read in my entire life. Thank you Phil for your honesty and for a life lesson that has inspired me so much. I almost felt as though I was right there in the midst of it all. You have accomplished so much, and God is continuing to utilize your talents and your life as a whole. Because, it is through your examples that I am able to continue building my own company, but at a slow, steady pace. On July 29th of this year we were compared in a 2-page article in the Dallas Morning News to a similar company in the industry which had come out of the gates running like a race horse. It was even suggested that we would probably run out of gas after our first release, and that they would continue running full steam ahead long after our demise because of their size and the resources they have available to them. It wasn’t put in those terms exactly, but it clearly had the same suggestions. To our avail, here we are today 6-months later and we are 2-months away from releasing a 2nd title and currently in development of our first feature film which we have chosen to outsource in order to keep the budget down. The quality however, is much better than what we had hoped. I know such a leap sounds like jumping in over our heads, but it is through the alliances we have built with the companies we have chosen to do business with that has allowed us to continue down this path without any major financial strains. We are made up of a very very small crew of less than one dozen and will continue to run as such for as long as we possibly can. What we have accomplished so far is nothing short of a miracle, but we place our faith in a living God who has always been in the business of providing such miracles.
Thanks for the lesson,
Gregory Warner
Co-Founder
FV Properties Corp.
http://www.chubbycubbies.com
gregory@chubbycubbies.com
Dear Phil:
I was puttering around the house this morning when I saw that my three boys (13, 8 and 7 y/o) and their sleepover guest were watching VeggieTales on NBC (At first I though they were watching one of our MANY Veggie Tales Videos). I remembered hearing something recently about a Big Idea bankruptcy, so I googled it and found your we site.
Woo! I could not break away from your story once I started reading it. I then HAD to read all the comments (55 at this point) and I came close to tears several times, especially at the “God is Bigger Than the Boogie Man” song lyrics.
My family have been big Veggie Tales fans since 1998 when a friend gave us a copy of one of the VHS tapes (“Where is God When I’m Afraid” I think). Over the years as my boys have gotten older, my wife has told me “they are getting too old for Veggie Tales,” but I keep telling here tha I still like them and the boys do to!
It is my prayer that you have learned from your travails and are stronger, and a better Christian, for what you have been through. And I am sure that what you have shared on your blog will help others who read it.
God has a plan, but we are often too wrapped up in OUR plans to see God’s plan. I know that I am guilty of this, and your story may help me keep my perspective and do what is right, not what is convenient.
Please keep up your ministry of producing quality, Christian media for children (and their parents!). And remember, “God made you special, and He loves you very much.” And we love you, too.
Lee
This was a highly interesting read. I’m studying business in college right now and am looking to get a career in the Christian entertainment industry. You have a great business story, that executive team in the end made too many decisions without you and were just the wrong people for the job like you said. I feel terrible for all the people that worked for Big Idea, and for you as well as you had to watch the demise of Big Idea and let go all those people. I commend you for staying strong in your faith to God during those bad times.
I think Christian entertainment can grow sooo much, but right now, with lack of better words, Christian media currently stinks. I believe a lot of great things will happen for the Christian industry in the next ten years as more experience is gained, along with Christian projects getting bigger and bigger budgets. I only hope I can get to work in it some day!!
I stumbled upon this site after watching “A Snoodle’s Tale” with my children this morning. My whole family can sing practically every song on VeggieTales 1-4. I remember hearing about the lawsuit and thinking, “Surely a Christian company wouldn’t be so greedy…there must be a mistake.” I am glad you were able to tell your side of the story. After watching every VeggieTale DVD my favorite part is the behind the scenes. Listening to Mike, Burt, and the rest tell how God has spoken to them and through them to my children makes the whole crew feel like an extended talented part of my family. I am saddened by what everyone went through at Big Idea and I can certainly understand the disillusionment and pain those who were affected by the downfall might feel. However, I keep remembering that God hasn’t promised to remove us from the valleys of life, only that he will be there with us, and that they make us appreciate the mountaintops even more.
I just bought “Gideon-The Tuba Warrior” and now am wondering where you have been in the creative side the past few videos, do you still have a friendship with Mike/Larry, and Burt the genius musician? Will there continue to be the same talented and saved artists working on future VeggieTales? Or has all the drama the past few years ended in divorce like so many other familes do today?
Thank you so much for all you have done for “Sunday morning values, Saturday morning fun.” There is something so ironic about hearing me and my husband sing the SUV song louder than our kids in our minivan (that we bought for child #3 and had to sell our two SUV’s for) and you made that possible.
Aimee
Wow. I remember reading somewhere about the law suit a few years back, but the Veggie videos kept coming out so I assumed everything was fine….
Then I was in a Family Christian Store today and thumbed through your new book. I was totally stunned! Like some many others, I had no idea all what had gone on or how everything had fallen apart and changed. I came immediately home to read all about it here.
I think you’re so strong to live through all of this and not be (too) angry or bitter or anxious to find someone else to blame. I am so impressed that you wrote it all down to help people better understand what happened and maybe find solace of their own in it. I know that even though I don’t make cartoons or run a business parts of what you said and the lessons that you learned certainly hit me very hard and made me think about my own life choices and my handling of God gifts and talents. I assume this was hard, albeit somewhat therapeutic, for you to write all out. God bless you.
Thank you for what you do both through “Big Idea” and through just being who you are.
Wow! This blog has definitely touched my heart. I am a mother of 3 boys who have grown up with Veggie Tales. We owned all the videos (now we need to get the dvds). I read this because my oldest son who is now 10 years old saw Veggie Tales on Qubo. While the boys and I watched, I thought about the Big Idea Production. I am so sorry to hear the details of this. I look forward to reading the entire story in your book.
May God use this as the stepping stone to a strong new beginning. Remember Peter he failed but, Jesus knew it all and used it to launch his greatest ministry.
All of us has fallen but praise the Lord for His unspeakable mercy!
Phil
My family and I love you and Big Idea. We have grown very fond of the Veggie Tales, Larry Boy and 3-2-1 Penguins. I am an artist, a cartoonist and I would give anything to work among the talents of Big Idea. I cried while reading this story. I am a Big Idea Ambassador. I want to support Big Idea any way I can. Thanks for the story and it touched my heart. I am looking forward to Pirates How Don’t Do Anything Movie and putting the word out now to anyone how will listen. My mini van has become a constant advertisement with the window clings in the Ambassador Kits. It has sparked many of conversations about Veggie Tales. I know what it is like to loose a dream. You and your family are in our prayers. If I can do something for you please let me know. As I understand Big Idea wants to expand their book ministry. I would love to do something like that. You guys rock!
Jeff Crump
Phil,
Know that your work has made an impact in the lives of many kids, and that will live on, probably for many generations…
As far as I’m concerned, and as everyone here SHOULD be, you owe no apology. You provided something in our lives that, to this day, I remember, replay, and enjoy with my close friends, my co-workers, and my daughter. It beats the crap out of a purple dinosaur, provided fun and enjoyment to my daughters, niece and nephew, and amused the daylights out of me and the friends I corrupted. To this day, a discussion of a task is just as likely to involve the phrase “Like butter on a bald monkey” as anything else, including playing an online, team based, first person shooter. To you, I offer my thanks, and our apologies if we, your audience, did anything to fail you. To the complainers of “Why did you ruin this”, I say that you need to watch some more Veggie tales.
To everyone, I note this: I’m a card-carrying atheist, and have bough more than a dozen VHS, DVD, and CD’s, and my daughter and I were at the opening night locally for the Jonah movie. I regret the loss of something that meant so much to so many.
I have been a fan of Veggies for many years, but just today learned of the trouble. Reading your story I think has helped me re-evaluate my own business. If I can offer a word of encouragement, I know some people might or have referrenced God allowing Job to fall into troubles, but the bible says that Job spoke “the thing that I have greatly feared has come upon me.” It wasn’t God causing it, Job feared it, which is having faith in the thing you fear instead of God. I can see from decisions you’ve illustrated, as you have said yourself, that many of the decisions were made out of man’s wisdom or fear of failure, rather than truly seeking God’s direction. The great thing to note is, you now know where the mistakes were made. You’ve recognized it, and made the adjustments. Just like Job did. The book doesn’t end with Job being sick, broke, and alone. And it doesn’t end with him gaining back everything that he had lost. It ends with Job receiving back TWICE what he had lost. I don’t know what God has planned for you in the future, but I do know this. It is NEVER His perfect will for one of His creation to fail. We are more than conquerors through Christ. Take Joseph too, in just one day he went from being on death row in a dungeon to being the most powerful leader in the known world. That is the kind of God we serve. Yikes, this is already long… sorry about that. Hopefully this has been encouraging. God didn’t plan to bring you up and then let you back down. His plan is above and beyond anything we could ask or think, and He changes not. If it was His plan for you to lead Bob and Larry to reach the world for Christ, it is still His plan. And getting back everything that was lost and even more is nothing to Him. It’s just up to us to believe it.
I’m a long-time fan of your work. As a matter of fact, I was a huge Veggie Tales fan at the age of 17, when I first saw “Dave and the Giant Pickle”. I brough a video of Veggie Tales home to my kid brother….who was 3….and my mom didn’t get it. But Jeff and I did. It was….bible stories for children, the way they always should have been told. For creating that, I thank you very much. I can now enjoy the same joy with my own son that I had with my little brother (and my kid brother even comes over to watch once in a while).
It sounds hollow in my head and heart to say I’m sorry that things turned out so badly. Because it sounds like it was the ending of a lesson for you, and that I’m not supposed to get it. I think. But, regardless, you’ve given a great gift to the world, using the gifts and talents that God gave you….I don’t see it as a waste, and I see what happened as unfortunate. I wish you happiness in the future, and I wish you enough.
In Him,
Jeni O’Callaghan
Phil,
I heard you speak at the 2007 INCM Children’s Pastor Conference in Orlando. I was on the edge of my seat as you spoke. My family and I are huge Veggie fans, but I had no idea what had happened to Bid Idea
My brother, you challenged me that day; your words and testimony made an major impact. Your “As the deer longs for _____________” statement hit home. Thanks for your willingness to share your story. It is through the Valleys that we learn the most, but I believe you have many more mountain tops awaiting your presence.
Thanks,
Tommy in Tallahassee
Dear Mr. Vischer,
Thank you for your honesty. God loves you so much and has a plan for you. Thank you for all your work in the past, and we will continue to support your work in the future through our Christian bookstore. I work at a family owned Christian bookstore, and we will always eagerly await your next Big Idea. If you’re ever in the Harrisburg, PA area, please stop by and see us!
Rachel
Dear Mr. Vischer, Maybe you remember me. Maybe not. My family went to Park Community Church with you in Chicago and my Aunt Kristin Blegen plays Laura the Carrot. We have lived with Veggietales playing a huge part in our family. I remember one time in the very very early years of Big Idea going to the office with Mrs. Heinecke and Gretchen and your Shelby and being so excited! When my best friend Gretchen had to move to Tennessee because of the big move I didn’t understand why this was happening. My mom said stuff like well you’ll get a chance to go fly by yourself down to Nashville to see it and that will be exciting. But I couldn’t imagine the change. It was very hard. You explained everything wonderfully and It’s alot easier to take everything from reading this. I have had wonderful times at The Factory in Franklin and staying with the Heineckes. I can see God’s plan now even for my own life. I have become a stronger person and learned so many lessons through all this! Thank you so much for your humility, and honesty as everyone else has shared. It’s amazing to see how you have still touched lives in my 2 year old little brother who is now just starting to watch. He is in love with Bob and Larry! Thanks once again for sharing! God bless you and your family, Chelsea McCoy
you may rember me your friend talked to my dad and birthed veggietales i know some of my friends liked it to i still watch them i am 17
Dear Mr Vischer,
Thank you for sharing your story with us. I too watched you on “Life Today” and was horrified at the unfair result of the law suit. Tough terrible things happen to all of us, but God is good and has a good plan for all of us, and out of the worst disasters there is always a better plan waiting. I just want to encourage you that the best is yet to be, and that your previous experiences will give you the practical wisdom to cope with your future success.
Know that you are in our prayers,
A mother of 3 little fans from Australia.
Phil
You presented this morning at Blanchard Warrenville congregation. I am a transplanted Michiganian, and have only heard of you, your gifts, and random snippets from how people love VT, what transpired internally at Big Idea, etc. I have never paid much attention to any of it as my wife and I have no kids, live far from our nieces and nephews and have never seen a single VT personally. However now that I heard you read you children’s story today, it is no wonder why so many people know and love you. Your gifts are apparent to me now that I have heard you directly. Thanks for sharing your newest story with so few people today in Warrenville. It was a powerful story, and I appreciate your willingness to continue sharing and encouraging others despite the highs and lows you’ve experienced.
Jesus is at work in and through you. I hope you were encouraged by James message on prayer and God’s ability to heal. You came to encourage and you did, but I hope you were encouraged too.
God bless.
Wow. Gut-wrenching honesty rarely seen/read/heard in our communities, Christian or otherwise, today. Phil, my heart hurts for you.
One of my best memories of VeggieTales (you helped us raise our four kids, you know!) is when, during a children’s sermon, our oldest son, then about 4, when asked a question about Daniel and the Lions Den – something about what they ate – Seth yells out “they ordered pizza!”. He (you) got a ton of laughs that morning.
Our kids are out of the VeggieTales stage, have been for a few years, so haven’t kept up with BigIdea. I had NO idea this was happening to you. And I’m sorry it has happened. May God bless your future plans. Seek ye first!
Julie Nelson
A P.S.: My husband has been looking into the purchase of a new building for his counseling practice – something bigger and better. He’s a small business owner. A client of his told him about your situation, and he looked your site up last night. He’s rethinking the situation now. Thy will be done Lord.
Mr. Vischer,
At 34 years old, I have had many parent-friends tell me about the wonders of Veggie Tales, but didn’t experience Bob and Larry myself until my wife and I began adopting a daughter several months ago. As I finished this story, a thought kept popping into my head that I once heard from a wise asparagus, (or maybe it was a blueberry):
“A thankful heart is a happy heart!
I’m glad for what I have,
That’s an easy way to start!
For the love that He shares,
‘Cuz He listens to my prayers,
That’s why I say thanks everyday!”
I’m thanking for what you have done to present Our Savior to the world. I hope you are thankful as well.
Dear Phil,
My elbows are sore from sitting in the same position while reading every word of this heartbreaking journey! I just want to hug you and Lisa and Mike. I pray that the over-the-top healing that can only come through God has softened the hurtful edges for all the wonderfully creative people who contributed in any way to BigIdea.
Years ago, when Tony was doing Advent, he asked his daughter Emma who Goliath was. With wild enthusiasm, she shouted, “he’s a big pickle!” May emails of similar happy incidents remind you of your ministry’s impact. I wish it were possible to make the bad memories go away, but you know God will use it for good!
Blessings of joy and love,
Roberta Vietti
That is the best, most well-written short non-fiction story I have read in as long as I can remember. Captivating and intriguing the entire way through. You could write a book about it. Thanks for all you work on Veggie Tales. They are great videos!
Until a few days ago, had no idea Big Idea had gone through anything out of the ordinary.
Today (10 Feb 07), I just spent an hour reading your saga.
When I got to, “now it’s time to sing the “What Have We Learned Song,’” I cried. You were writing about me when you said, “Letters like his made me realize just how much emotion people had invested in my dream.” This has affected me “much more deeply than you would expect.”
I raised my 5 kids on Veggie Tales (now ages 21 to 9). I used the product, loved it, and always assumed it would be there. It never occurred to me to see how Big Idea was doing…now it’s gone.
You have done great things. You have produced great products. Thank you. My prayer is God will allow you to do more of these great things.
I have been moved to tears more than once reading this tale. THANK YOU so much for sharing.
Your songs are the soundtrack of my young family. The stories made little pathways into our kids’ precious hearts.
And now, Daddy has been instructed and touched by the grown up story of Big Idea.
I will pray for you this night.
We are the ultimate Veggie Tales fans, we have watched every one of you videos and DVD’s, and especially enjoy the bonus features and commentaries. Your movies have the quality of a big time studio, but also the ring of a truly crist centered ministry.
The humble genius of your self, the humor and writing ablity of Mike Nawrocki, the origanality of Tim Hodge, the ability of David Pitts, the ingenuity of Kurt Heineke, and the creativity of Joe Spattaford and of coure the rest of your wonderful staff, really make for some great productions.
The way you have written this acount has really shown that you are a truly humble man of God , thank you.
– Alison and Katherine
Phil, Like all the others who have left messages for you, I too am sorry to hear what happened. You HAVE touched so many with your videos, including my three boys and myself! Two of my sons are autistic, and they have watched the stories to the point of wearing the tape out (I love the huge grin my youngest son gets on his face when he sees Junior Asparagus!). Like the verse in ‘The Ballad of Little Joe’ –God causes all things to work together for good, for those who love God!
My wife just bought me “Me, Myself and Bob” for Valentines Day. I haven’t yet read it as I’ve just now opened it. But I saw the encouragement to check out the site in the back of the book so I thought I’d come on by and see what you had ot say.
I wanted to see what you had to say about Big Idea’s bankruptcy, and what all that entailed. I had to stop at page 7 or 8 because I saw a familiar paragraph when I was perusing the book. I didn’t want to find a whole section of the book I had already read.
But, what I have read has touched me. My wife bought me the book because I’m an animator. Well, at least I’ll be one in Dec this year, that’s when AAU hands me my degree. And reading what I have read, it’s touched me because of the similar dreams I have for myself. They’re huge. Sometimes they feel too huge.
I know this is what God has wanted for me. To tell stories, to be an animator. He took my wife and I to the Bay Area from Lubbock, Texas, which has been hard because it has just been us and God. But it has been a blessing. And it’s even harder because AAU has a class taught by Pixar animators that you have to submit a reel for, and with one semester left, my hopes in getting into that class are pretty low. And everyone acts like these kids in the Pixar classes are just the best things since sliced bread. And that’s hard. Though, I will praise God in this. Because He has given me talent. I’ve made A’s in all my animation classes and I have instructors telling me I’m doing good, so I am doing something right. But when your dreams are up there in the sky and seem impossible to reach sometimes. Satan loves for you to focus on that.
But enough of that. Even though I haven’t read the book yet, from what I’ve read on the blog here, I want to say thank you for your honesty and humor. I’m looking forward to reading the book, which I will certainly start shortly. Thanks for bringing VeggieTales to the world. And I thank God for doing so through you.
A couple of factoids, my indirect connection to that litigation is that my sister-in-law (wife’s sister), was the or a court reportor for it. She told us that she had that assignment after it took place. And I actually applied at Big Idea as an animator back in 2003 or 4 .. I believe it was 2004. I called about sending a submission and I got a very curt reply. At the time, I thought that was a little uncharacteristic, but now I can see the reasoning behind it. My stuff was returned, thank you for that, even at that time though I wasn’t ready to be an animator anyway, God had other plans.
Thanks again.
Brett
Hi Phil,
My heart just aches for you and your family. I was at a children’s conference a few weeks ago and met your mom. Those who came with me and was in the session with me knew I was excited to find that out because I am a veggietales mom. The reason that matters was when my son was 2 (he will be 8 this year) I wanted so bad to work at your company. I was a new stay at home mom and knew my job was to be with my kids. God knew what I prayed then this last year I received an opportunity to work with the company by being a veggiemom. Which enables me to stay home and reach others through Veggietales. We have been a fan for 8 years strong. My son and I sent an email asking why there was no corn on the cob veggies in the movies. We got an email back saying to keep watching because there were so many vetgetables to use. When I started Veggiemoms in July 06, Larry boy and the bad apple came out. When my son saw Shux on there he immediatly said Look Mom they took my idea!! He was so proud. I want to Thank-You from the bottom of my heart for what you have created with Gods help of course!!! Stay Strong,
Dear Phil, God only allow the winds of adversity and difficulties of life to strengthen us in the days ahead. Your good work has been the greatest blessing to my Grandson Isaac and for that I am eternally grateful. May God continue to bless and use you in the days ahead.
With Real Thankfulness,
Rev. Robert C. Jones, Valley Assembly of God Hagerstown, MD
I heard you speak at CPC in Orlando. I have to say reading this opened my eyes even more than hearing you. My entire family has loved your characters their entire life. My oldest is not 25 and my youngest nine and we all freeze and watch when a Veggie Tale video is on.
I have been in Kids’ ministry for 15 years. We NEED more Bob and Larrys in our kid’s world. There is so much garbage in the comic world, I have to screen the cartoons that my youngest watches. I love Saturday morning cartoons with Sunday morning values. Thank you for caring.
God has forced a Sabbatical on you, so you could rest. Now look to Him to see what you need to do next… there are fruits, meats, and grains..ya know!!!! Keep pressing on!!
V Gandee
Thank you so much for sharing. I never knew. Please don’t stop trying. The world needs people like you.
Wow. We had no idea that any of this had happened. With two little ones we just always assumed there would be an endless supply of Veggies to get us through to their teenage years.
Thank you for posting this story. A friend of mine once said that “nobody is above a good whoopin’ “, and it sounds like you got one – not necessarily deserved in my opinion, but…
We loved your work and the tremendous efforts you put into your films. You are an inspiration to all Christian companies, warts and all. God bless you, your family, and your future endeavors.
I just spent more than an hour reading this. I started, and just couldn’t stop.
Thank you for the valuable lessons you have shared, and may our God of restoration surprise you with the great plans He has for you, which as we know, are greater and more fantastic than you can even think or imagine.
I bought the Sunday Morning Songs for my 15-month old and we play it in the car and now my husband and I sing silly bits of it to each other and to the little fellow of course. So we are new fans of Bob & Larry. We’ll keep buying VeggiTales and our little fellow will grow up with the happily silly VeggiTales humour. Thanks!
Lena
Dear Phil,
I’m pretty sure my favorite part of Jonah is on the 2d DVD where you give the tour of Big Idea Studios. I’m sorry . . . that’s got to be many times harder for you to read than it is for me to write. But I mention it because it illustrates one of the weird qualities of media: it leads us to identify mightily with those we see and feel like we have an intimate, personal relationship with those we’ve never met.
Through that tour, in that odd, synthetic, virtual (and yet somehow emotionally real) way, I became really attached to you, Phil. And so for a few years now I’ve observed your absence in “making-of” interviews and prominent places in the credits of VeggieTales releases, and I’ve felt disturbed and concerned inside. I wanted to go right away to scour the internet to find out what had happened to you, but I held back. I didn’t know how ugly or embarrassing it was, and I didn’t want to do you the disservice of being a spectator of your demise.
But when my wife told me you had written a memoir, I came here and read your story, as apparently have many who have made the same virtual friendship that we think we have. Thanks for disclosing your stuff. You didn’t need to do that, but I’m glad you did.
As others have indicated, any interest on your part in making the virtual relationship a bit more real (e.g., by e-mail, phone call, parachuting onto the roof of my house, etc.) would be warmly reciprocated.
It’s been a pleasure to get to know you. Thanks for letting me in.
Warmly,
Cory Hartman
Passaic, NJ
Well I just wanted to thank you for all your hard work. Although it must have been painful to do what you had to. You have blessed me and my family with all your work. My son has been watching Veggie tales for a long time now. His favort one is “Where is god when I am scared.” You will be here at APU on 3/7/2006 I would love to ge there but I have to work. I want to buy your book and get it singed but I wont be able to. Well Thank you and God bless.
The Mojica Family
Dear Mr. Vischer, I am a BIG VeggieTales fan and this story touch’s my heart. I love VeggieTales and BigIdea and believe in the message so much that I would do anything if I could
to keep it from dying. This story made me cry. I will support BigIdea as much as I can. Please tell Bob and Larry I love them so much and I pray that they will make more VeggieTales in the future.
Sincerely your 15 year old VeggieTales fan, Auberne’. Poulsbo, WA.
Phil, God made you special, and He loves you VERY much. Thanks for the “True Veggiewood Story”. I have e-mailed you off and on since the first media stories about the financial situation, and want to thank you for your openess. I hope that your relationships with those who rode with you are healing, and that your family is happy and safe. I am looking forward to reading your book to my 2 year old, and anxiously await the newest veggie-tale.
And I REALLY miss the penquins… they were great.
Anne Mylander’s husband
Brent
Remember Little Joe? Stuff was down, but God used it for good. I’m sure God is behind this.
Say hi to Bob and Larry for me.
Thanks for your account. I really appreciate that you (and your wife) have continued to help make new Veggie videos through your voice and writing skills, it’s a testament to your character and humility that you’ve still been willing to play such a vital role when you no longer run the company. We love your work and look forward to anything else you put out. Many Blessings!
Chris Burns
Dr. Phil, (ha)
Just wanted to tell you that your stroy “what happened to Big Idea” has touched me deeply. This story is a GREAT educational tool for those of us who are faced with similar challenges,working towards some of the same goals as you were, and for the same reason. I will refer to it often as I do my part in helping to run an awesome new production company. Our goal at Studio 125 Productions is to produce quality wholesome family entertainment and the products to compliment. Our mission is to do it for God and His Glory. All that you have been through will help us in this marvelous journey. I am sorry you had to endure so much but I am very thankful that you have shared it for the whole world to see and to learn from. May God Bless you richly in everything you do now and in the future.
Jodi
I am crying right now. I don’t know how I even ended up at this blog, reading your story. I was just looking up info on the DVDs that my preschool-age daughter is so crazy about, and here is this! My daughter Kaya is in my bedroom, jumping on the bed, singing a song that she’s making up as she goes about Bob and Larry. I don’t know why life happens the way it does, but thank you for sharing your beautiful creative gifts with our children. PLEASE don’t stop! I don’t know what that will look like, but we serve a BIG God! Thank you so much for sharing so openly. May the Lord Jesus bless you and all those who have given so much to tell kids that they’re special and God loves them.
Katrina Oliver
The saddest part of this for me was reading about all those layoffs. No one can know what the people you had to give the axe to felt, and no one can know your (I would assume) guilt and emotional pressure of having to do that and having to live with it. It was like a punch in the gut to me to read that and I’m truly very sorry for you and for all the hard working people who suffered through this.
My husband says that the one who storms the gates is the first one to get shot down- painful, but it leaves the less bold entrepreneur with some shoulders to stand on… and now a lot of good Christian artists and perspective animators/entertainers can learn from you guys and everything you went through.
As a Christian, I am very proud of what Big Idea did in such a competitive and influential industry and I am very thankful for your work. I hope that all your ex-employees can find peace about it and see the value of the part they played.
I saw your book, “Me, Myself, and Bob” in our bookstore today and had to come home and do a search to find out what happened. My mom introduced me to VeggieTales. Although I have no children, we share all of the movies with friends who do and enjoy their giggles when they watch. I myself have learned and be reminded of many Bible truths through them.
God has great plans. I have always trusted in Jeremiah 29:11 and share this hope with you and your family.
Hey Phil
I needed to read this for me this was a reflection down a road I could go this article spoke to me like a shot in the chest.
God Bless and Keep you for all he has done through you.
And Phil Like the movie Casablanc when Vistor Laslow is talking to Rick before he gets on the plane may this be with you right now.
“Phil welcome back to the fight!”
Welcome back
Trevor C
Hey Phil
I needed to read this for me this was a reflection down a road I could go this article spoke to me like a shot in the chest.
God Bless and Keep you for all he has done through you.
And Phil Like the movie Casablanc when Vistor Laslow is talking to Rick before he gets on the plane may this be with you right now.
“Phil welcome back to the fight!”
Welcome back
Trevor C
I love your stuff, and its sad to hear that this happened. To be honest the moment I read about the big hairy idea my alarm bells started ringing, if you don’t mind me offering my distant advice it might be that you fell foul of “being conformed to the patterns of the world”. Not that I am saying borrowing busyness models is wrong, but we should never ever try to be the “christian x” as surely that means your taking someone else’s business and trying to cram God in. Not your style! God has plans for you, even now, (as I’m sure you know) and they are are not limited by anything you have lost. I would also suggest, as their brother in christ, that try to meet these people from your old company who are still unhappy, just to love and increase the peace!
God will bless
Josh
As my husband and I watch our 6 year old son watch VeggieTales DVDs, I am grateful for all the hard work you put into creating them. Our son has only recently discovered them, but he’s already memorized much of the dialogue. I was saddened to learn all you and your family has been through in the past.
Today we watched the movie Jonah, and if there still is anyone out there, who had any connection to the movie’s production (even in the least way) who might be holding a grudge, I pray that they will take to heart the message presented in the movie. Junior learned it, and Bob learned it … to show mercy and compassion. (Although I don’t think they should fault you.) Jesus taught us to forgive the one we believe hurt us, whether or not they apologize or ask forgiveness. After reading everything that has happened concerning Big Idea, I don’t think any single event or person could be blamed. I don’t know why it happened, and only God knows each person’s heart. It sounds like you are in a position now where you are waiting patiently to take your cues from God, and that is the best place to be.
I began praying for Big Idea a while ago before I knew what had happened, and now that I know you are working on a new adventure, I will be praying for your family and it. (Like your mother, I’m not a big fan of jellyfish either, but I do understand the reasoning behind it.) I pray that as the message goes out, in whatever form, it will continue to draw people to the Lord. His word will not return void.
I will be looking out for your new books, both the ones geared towards children, and your other new book. I’ve seen it in the local Christian bookstores already and have been meaning to buy it. Even my son, when he spied it, said we should get it. (That was on a trip to buy him the Madame Blueberry title, which I decided he needed to see.) Though it was my husband who found this, your blog, and showed it to me, I think he would be interested in reading your book too.
One last thing, on a side note … I was surprised to see your offices are located in the same town as a dear friend of mine lives. Like us, she and her husband are also adoptive parents. (They sent our son one of his first VeggieTales DVDs.) Will wonders never cease…
Thanks, Phil, for opening your heart to all of us.
I remember first hearing about VT….I thought it was some ploy to get kids to eat vegetables.
I have most of the videos, including 3-2-1 Penguins and Larry Boy 2D, ad a few of the DVDs. I’m sorry for what happened to Big Idea and the people that were hurt, but I believe you were always trying to do the right thing for God, the employees, and the fans. You and your team created some of the best characters around. I am amazed by how your brought the story of Jonah to life.
I am sorry that people would be so insensitive and crass in their criticism, such as the fan you referenced in your letter. These people have never created such a work, yet they can rip someone else’s apart.
Keep up the great ministry. I’ll buy the book.
One more think…..In 2006 I was laid off for the first time in my 25-year career. For the folks at Big Idea that we let go: You can always take that experience of working on a great product with you. That movie is a credit to every one who worked on it. I’m glad you got to finish it.
wow…that’s all I can say is wow. It is a mystery to me how God is always so faithful to us, regardless of our mistakes. I am only a freshman in college and I can tell you Phil that God has done so much in just my first year of college. When I read this, (plus I am in the process of reading Me, Myself, and Bob) I was very encouraged to continue to trust God, because He is so faithful beyond measure that it is so hard to grasp sometimes. By reading your stories and seeing what God is doing through you now and through Veggietales now is wonderful. God’s faithfulness is so evident in Veggietales now and what God is doing through you now too. I wish you could come to my college and share your story. I think my fellow students could defintitely use some encouragement. Keep doing what you are doing Phil. “I thank my God in all my rememberance of you, always in every prayer of mine for you all making my prayer with joy, because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now. And I am sure of this, that He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.” Philippian 1:3-6
My brother.
My Family and I love the Veggie Tails, Larry boy, and 321P. They mean so much to us. So meny thoughts come to my mind. It appears you are still involved on the creative end, as I watch the credits on the newer ones we get. That is correct, right? I actually came to your website as a result of an interview being broadcast on WRBS in Baltimore, and was very concerned.
Sorry to be skipping around so much with my Ideas. I truly pray God’s best to you and yours, and all those that had anything to do with the projects. Through you pain and sacrafice, you have given the world a tremendous gift.
I think it also shows how God can make wonderful things come even when we make big mistakes.
And lastly. Your experience makes me think of something similar I expirienced in high school. On a vary vary much smaller scale. During high school and even after I left, I was involved with a radio station that was located at the school. There was some talk by the alum-leadership and even the sponser teacher, but to a lesser degree that the littel 100W station could be much more that it was. (we are talking early 80s) This evolved into someones pipe-dream that several of us got wrapped up in. Ultimately, all it ended up doing was causing the school board to “can” the station, taking the opportunity away from the students that would follow. And the station never did grow into anything. Oh the dangers of the pipe-dream. Whether placed there by a book, or by someone with a convincing pitch. Even to this day, I regrett the part I played in its demise, Especially when it was not even mine to begin with. It belonged to the students.
Thanks so much for sharing. Post if you wish, but you don’t have to. Just know that you are truly appriciated.
Sincerely,
George.
My family fell in love with VeggieTales when my sister and I were in junior high. Today my fiance and I love to spend our friday nights watching the half-hour shows and bigger movies. It’s become tradition! (Honestly the “Cebuuuuuuuu” song is the best three minutes of animation/writing you guys did!)
I can’t begin to imagine the emotional rollercoaster that Big Idea has become for you. I am TRULY amazed at your humility and sincerity when telling this story. I admire you so much for being willing to take that huge resposibility on your shoulders.
It may sound funny, but I think I will appreciate your work more now, knowing what it cost you and all those other people, than I did before.
God bless. And thank you.
prolifica.orgDear Phil,
What an amazing story! Like many others on this page, I had no idea all this had happened to our dear Veggie Tales and to the gifted creators. Our pastor made reference to your story in a sermon about waiting on the Lord for direction rather than running ahead with our “big ideas”. I don’t mean for that to be a criticism at all of your experience. I very much am guilty of running ahead (or is it away?) from my Lord. Wanting to know more, I found your blog.
As a Christian who was inspired by my faith to start a business, I struggle with many of the issues you have described, and desire to make the right decisions for the right reasons in the right way. We can try, but ultimately we have to give up this idea of getting it right all the time, don’t we? Success in God’s eyes is so different from what the world teaches.
Keep on looking to the Lord for direction and never give up on your dreams. And above all else, fulfill the calling to which you have been called in Christ Jesus! You inspire me. Thanks for being so transparent.
Many, Many Blessings!
Larry Crane
http://www.prolifica.org
I believe Thomas Edison said that he discovered a hundred ways of how NOT to invent the light bulb. Your story shows that you are a great entrepreneur and inventor who is not afraid to take risks. Hopefully, now that you have discovered how NOT to run Big Idea, you will keep trying. I’m sure we’re all glad Thomas Edison didn’t give up. We hope you don’t either!
I didn’t even know Big Idea had gone bankrupt. My kids are still watching all the videos, including Jonah (so glad you got to finishe it)! I was searching for more videos online since i’m an online shopper, and came across this story.
Thank you so much for sharing this story. It must have been very hard to write, but it has taught me a great deal.
There are a number of things that amaze me about this blog (I’ll only mention three!)…Primarily, your story. That goes without saying, I couldn’t stop reading and was really impressed with your honesty and with your bravery. There’s a tangible vulnerability when confessing your mistakes–to the world(!). And you do a fine job of keeping it real and avoiding the usual swarthiness one typically finds in these types of “my story” accounts. Secondly, I’m amazed that this was posted in Jan 2005 and you are still receiving comments! I had no idea about any of these legal woes going on at Big Idea until just tonight. How reality can rear it’s ugly head. Finally, I work in the creative industry as well, (art director/ad agency) and unfortunately it’s not uncommon to see people let go after a bad quarter, it’s not easy for anyone. I remember one particular guy I knew who was unusually cool after losing his job. He was a hard worker and like your old employees, invested a chunk of his life into the success of the company. I’ll never forget what he said when asked why he wasn’t angry or even worried. “Company X doesn’t provide for me, the Lord does.” He knew that his finances weren’t really ever in the hands of his employer, he was always taken care of. You were never really the provider for those folks who worked for you either. I’m sure you realize that and they probably do too by now. Anyhow, my little girl (2 yrs) loves veggie tales, she’s constantly bursting into one of your songs and my wife and I are grateful to Jehovah that you guys did what you did. It’s nice to have this uplifting alternative to entertain her with. Thanks!
WOW! That hit like a truck! I remember my first encounter with Bob & Larry at Creation. I was working on the stage when I heard half the crowd, around 30,000 singing ‘Oh Where is My Hairbrush?’ along to the video on the big screen – I was hooked! Now years later, my family and I, deeply disturbed, often break into Veggie verses. Thank you for sharing, and having the faith and courage to follow your dream. If the rest of us who long for Christian Artists (media and others) to produce art with the excellence truly worthy of our Maker would actually do something, as you did, maybe the world would have trouble keeping up instead of it being the other way around.
Your story is heartbreaking. Having been a middle manager at a company going through much of the same thing, I can relate to the feeling that you are bailing water in a sinking ship… only to realize that you’re bailing water IN thinking there will be less water outside to drown in. But it’s comforting to know that the Lord knew how things would turn out before they ever began and still led you to make a difference in so many young lives. My two-year-old prefers Veggie Tales over Elmo now, and believe me, that’s no small feat! My husband and I end up laughing in bed at night because we have the songs still running through our heads. You will be truly blessed because of the children who have come to know God’s love through your work. May He bless you and keep you in all the years to come.
Mr. Vischer I am late to the Veggie Tale experience. I knew they existed, but since I had no children never bought any products until 2006. After 16 years of waiting my husband and I were finally able to afford to adopt a daughter. She will soon be 2. When we got her, Sept 2006, I immediately began collecting the videos because I knew I could trust the messages and it would help her learn English. Not surprising, she loves them. Actually, I enjoy them too. I’m very sad to hear you suffered so much with the fall of Big Idea. However, I am very impressed that you didn’t shy away from the blame. It a good role model to follow. I also think that most good leaders have failed miserably at least once in their lives. It how God makes them great leaders. I’m glad the videos are still being made and hope even more will come out. The company may not be huge like Disney, but they are making a huge impact on my daughter and me and almost everyone I know. I don’t think the impact that Disney is making is nearly as positive.
In the summer of 2000, when my daughter was 3, our new neighbor was approaching us as we played in our front yard. I had learned his name earlier in the week, and as he walked nearer I said, “Here comes Bob.” Without missing a beat, my precious daughter looked up at me and replied in a condesending tone, “Mommy…Bob is a tomato.”
Thank you for your story, and thank you that 7 years and another daughter later, Bob is still a very vocal tomato in our household. Not to mention Larry, Junior & all their veggie friends.
Phil…….you are a quality man and most importantly a man of GOD. I can’t tell you how hard that was to read, but ultimately…I only respect you more. What an experience, but regardless of the outcome your vision and “idea” lives on and touches young Christians the world over.
Like my 3 year old daughter.
You’ve created something that is a testiment to GOD and even though things have changed on your end…….all i can say is you are a blessed man / family.
Thank you so much and may GOD continue to bless you.
The Monroe’s.
Wow! How did I miss all of this? We have a large, although not complete, collection of VT, 3-2-1, Silly Songs, & 2-D. We stayed on top of the newest releases until about 6 years ago. You’ve not had fun until you’re grocery shopping or cooking and your children identify the vegetables based on VT and are very upset that you are planning to cook their favorites. Hum, maybe that explains the problems I’ve had getting them to eat their veggies! Oddly enough, I had no idea about the difficulties BI was going through.
I just wanted to say “thanks” for everything you have given to my children through your creations. From here I’m going to the Jellyfish project, because I know there is still plenty of genius in you for God to use in teaching kids.
Mr. Vischer,
I want to thank you for telling the complete story. I had looked over many other websites that gave a rather poor understanding of the true situation. I have worked with various Christian broadcasters and have seen many times how things can get out-of-hand. I must remind myself that God has a reason for everything that happens and it is up to us to learn and grow from the situations. My wife and I are true VeggieTales fans and we hope that our twins (who are due Dec. 25) will be just as big fans. May the Lord bless you and your staff!!!!!!
I’m writing from Singapore. I fell in love with Veggietales back in UK in 1998 as a student and now my daughter, just 2 and a half, loves Larry and the whole gang. What is more amazing is that her first language is chinese, not English, but the lessons in Veggietales are nevertheless learnt and understood. She understands Jesus and that He loves her and everyone.
The lessons from Veggietales transcend culture and languages, and I hope that your new ventures will continue to be impactful and benefit kids and families not just within the US but around the world.
As a mother, I want my children to be grounded in Christian values and Veggietales has helped tremendously.
Keep it up!
I always enjoyed sharing veggie tales videos with my children. The loss of your darling characters and the dream you tried to build must have been so sad. I’m sure you have heard every cliche there is to help make you feel better. I pray you take your lessons, memories and strength with you and build a new dream.
God bless you
Hey Phil!! Thanks for telling everyone this. It took courage and conviction that I know you’ll always have. And I know God has amazing things in store still for you and Veggie Tales. I’m a rabid fan myself, and I appreciate you letting us know whats going on. I’ll pray for all of you, and I thank you over and over for all you’ve done for we Christiansin your work.
I also would like to say I’m sorry you had to lose your company. I can’t imagine losing the things I created and loved, that we all love. I know God can help you through this pain. And I can’t tell you how ecstatic I am that Veggie Tales is still going on. I couldn’t take it if It dissappeared, it is a show that the world needs. I’ll keep praying, God bless all of you!
Hi Phil,
I guess I am just like the other fans. I am so sorry to read about your loss. I was looking up George Muller after watching his story depicted in the VeggieTales Gideon Movie we just bought last weekend. A couple of clicks and I am reading all 11 parts of your blog about Big Idea.
My family really enjoys VeggieTales and was thrilled to go see Jonah when it was on at the theater. I will never forget watching the pure joy of the kids dancing in the theater when the song about second chances started. I love that song and I hope that you can still draw inspiration from it.
I do not know if those bidders from Minnesota were angels or not, but it does seem that you are learning from this and I am so grateful for your willingness to share so that we can all learn. Thank you for your honesty. May God continue to bless you and your family.
I am so thankful for your honesty. My own little media Blue heaven is in “deep doo also, and your thoughts have spoken to my heart deeply.
As a family we’ve been blessed by Veggie Tales and Penguins both, and ared saddened to see what went on behind the scenes.
But the lessons you learned and have shared are helping your older fans tremendously. We’ll be praying for you and Jellyfish
Hello,Phil,My name is Katherine;I have been a big fan of veggietales since I was 12;I’m studying 2D animation and hope make cartoons someday;I know what it’s like to have a dream;and you want so badley to share that dream with the world.I’ve wanted to be a “walt disney” myself;sometimes I wonder why God would give such a remarkable gift to someone who doesn’t even love Him;but then that shows how loving God is.Anyway,don’t feel badly about your failures;you’re not the first.It’s good that you admit them rather than hide them;it shows that we’re all human;It’s funny how people think that just because you’re famous,they think you don’t have problems;I used to think that of you when I was younger;silly me.I don’t think it’s bad to have a dream,I think we tend to rush ourselves to make it real;it’s just like you said;you weren’t ready to do movies;I rushed myself alot of times;the more I saw the awful things on today’s entertainment,the more determined I was to be an animator;I wish I could send you some of my drawings;it’s gets lonley when I have nobody else who draws;I know you’re busy alot,still it’s nice know that there are people out there who share the same dreams;I live in Chatanooga Tennessee;who knows?maybe we’ll meet some day;and by the way,I never thought the larry-boy cartoons looked cheap;I think they’re very cute;I think larry-boy looks neat as a cartoon;don’t feel bad if not everyone likes them;you can’t please everyone;I used to try to please everyone;it didn’t work;I’m sorry;I’m talking my head off;anyway,just do what you do best;after all.God made you special,and He loves you very much!!!!!!
-Katherine Carver
Hi Phil
I had a business that was a dream an it to went under and i was left with debt from it despite askin god to not let it end that way even before i started. but as with u i could have ended it anytime i just kept thinking one moresale/day/week etc. But you know in the end Gods will is done. it took guts for u to admit u were wrong an iam sure Gos has and will continue to bring you blessings out of this situation. An as much as i dislike the idea of a non christian company owning a christian company/idea like veggietales its about Gods will and not ours and God uses the things of this world to confound the wise. As soon as the existing owners have finished doing Gods will he will make sure Veggietales is where he wants it to be. We as Christians often fire our anger a others especially other christian because we feel they have done us wrong an if we do not forgive we will never move on so i pray those involved in big ideas that r angry at u will realise that an will also realise that u probably lost as much if not more than they did.
Av a gud un
Onefut
Phil,
Sorry for all the trouble and grief that you and others have had in the lifetime of Big Idea Productions.
But, I want to encourage you. You are a really tremendously gifted guy. It’s hard to imagine God not using your gifts for His glory in the future. Whether the world sees it as “big” or not doesn’t matter – your gifts are going to make a difference in someone’s life to the glory of God.
Also, I’m impressed by your ability to own up to your mistakes and confess them. You don’t seem to make excuses. And you’re a very gifted story teller. Not everyone who is in Christ would be able to stand up in front of the world and admit your shortcomings. The fact that you can do this says a lot of good things about your character and the way that you narrarate this says a great deal about your talent. Keep your head up!
July 19, 2007
I just read your story.
Dude!
There is no difference between spiritual and secular.
There is no separation between the spiritual world and the world of business.
There is no deparation between spiritual and technical.
There is only God, and denial.
The good news … you can start new everyday …
Below is a recent poem that captures some of the fuss …
THE TENNIS GAME
I entered a tennis tournament,
Doubles, the game of the day,
I wrote down the name of my partner,
‘Jesus’, I was proud to say.
I gathered my racquet with conviction,
And entered the court to play,
But even though the game was doubles,
They only saw two feet upon the clay.
I tried to explain my situation,
The judges huddled off court,
And reluctantly decided to allow it,
Saying ‘Jesus’ couldn’t harm the sport.
So I played my best, my hardest,
I gave it all that I had,
But even though my partner was Jesus,
The scoring was really quite bad.
The tournament had concluded,
The points were at the bottom of the list,
I rubbed my knee, and held my back,
Saying the problem was really in my wrist.
One of the judges pulled me aside,
And offered to critique my game,
What could be the harm I thought,
Until he said that I was to blame.
He said,
“It appears your partner played flawlessly,
But you on the other hand,
Defended shots that were not your own,
You constantly tried to ‘grand-stand’.
You said that you had a partner,
Whom I’m sure would have done his part,
Had you only stood back once in awhile,
And let him practice his art.
You charged the net and ran the back line,
You played center, left and right,
Next time, if you want to do better,
Let your partner, Jesus, use his might.”
So with my pride in my hand I took his advice,
And asked Jesus to try once again,
We entered a tournament, doubles,
And our efforts this time, not in vain.
The judges declared me the winner,
And gave me a trophy for the game,
I held it high above my head,
But engraved on it, was only my name.
I smiled and posed for the cameras,
I was now at the top of my sport,
I forgot to tell the photographer,
That I was not alone on the court.
I felt quite bad about the errors,
It was really a deception, and a cheat,
For I had left Jesus out of the victory,
And I had blamed him for the defeat.
Sheila Willar – July 16, 2007
Phil,
“I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you. Plans to give you a hope and a future.” I’m a former pastor, and as it turns out, you were going through bankruptcy about the same time I was going through divorce and resignation from my ministry. I know the plans God has for me and he has a plan for you. My journey back from failure has been painful but I am reborn as a result. My only advice would be that you guard your heart against the, “I’ll show them they can’t beat me down..” syndrome. I tried that and it literally almost killed me. (Open heart surgery). You have so much to offer. May God bring people into your life who can not only encourage you but give you wisdom and knowledge to compliment your tremendous creative gift. The one that that I will never forget is that even when it appears that everything that matters has been taken away from you, God never changes. Everything that He promised, he will do. Everything that you knew to be true when you saw His power building your ministry is still true today. That same power is there, and He will supply your needs in a God-powerful way. God bless you. God bless your family. God bless your ministry, your plans, your future. Dream on, brother!!!
Tom
Hey Sheila
God dropped a chapter into the lifebook my husband and I are living when we stumbled onto the demise of Veggie Tales and the pattern of Phil’s footsteps. Talk about the sword of truth tearing through bone and marrow. It shattered us both right where we were living. Your quotes (are they yours?) and the tennis poem will be added to the next chapter. I appreciate the fact that God’s hand is still in our lives and that living in relationship with others we may be changed by Him. We knock and He opens doors in ways we can never imagine. Thanx, april
Phil, I’ve never really paid attention to the credits at the end of VeggieTales, until today when I wondered if you guys really made the first 3D animated videos…you did!
Anyway, I think you really should consider writing a book based on what you’ve got here. I’m currently working in a successful startup company and many of the undertones sound eerily familiar. I think businessmen, Christians, and other pioneers all can benefit from your lesson here.
–Kevin
Wow. I left USA in 1999 after (mumble) years of grad school where the Graduate InterVarsity Christian Fellowship was addicted to Bob & Larry.
At first, VeggieTales were available in the Salvation bookstores here in Malaysia, and I expected them to continue being available. Suddenly, I noticed they disappeared off the shelves a few years ago. “A distributor problem” the Salvation bookstore clerk said. So I expected the “distributor problem” to be eventually resolved and for them to reappear on the shelves. But they never did.
I didn’t know what happened, until Larry Amon of Christian Walk Alive happened to refer to this web site on his latest CWA Progress Report.
Now, I know why. Tears glisten my eyes as I write this.
My wife and I are expecting our first child in November. As a single and as a newly-married husband, I had envisioned hours of fun with my children with VeggieTales. Now it looks like she won’t get the chance.
Alas, Bob & Larry. We knew you well. (With apologies to Hamlet.)
Phil,
It’s 2007. My children, ages 6, 4, and 1, and my nieces and nephew, ages 5, 2, and 1, have been watching Bob and Larry all day. While playing, my son will still occasionally announce “I..AM…THAT….HERO!”
They love Jonah. They love “A Message from the Lord.” I love Bob not loving the Bible song, and Larry’s nutty smile while he looks at him, loving the song.
From a ministry standpoint, you have created something bigger than Disney. In a million years, my children and I will still love the messages in Veggie Tales. There are people who crack their Bibles while watching one of your stories, just to see if that is what really happened. There are people, children and adults alike, whose first real introduction to God’s Word is coming from a cucumber and a tomato.
So thank you for that. We’re all looking forward to what you and the various members of your old team do next, because all things work to the good of those that believe.
SJE
When i first read this I cried. My younger cousin and I collected veggietales. It was our thing. He’s 16 now but I still have the originals. Now, I hook up my old vcr and and my 4 year old daughter and I watch them. The lessons they teach are invaluable and I thank you for creating bob and larry and veggietales.
You did good things to your company and you could have told Mike to make the Jonah script smaller I could see Jonah as a 45 minute film what you can see in this expirience is that good and bad things happen. And when the bad things happen you have to get up and continue what you love to do. Thank you for reading this.
Well done good and faithful servant. Thank-you.
I was looking for something else and stumbled on this. I had no idea that Big Idea had gone under (sorry about the pun). It’s admirable to take full credit or discredit for the company’s demise and you are right – and wrong. I assume you hired people to manage your company because you did not have the experience to manage it, therefore doesn’t it make sense that they should have done so. Absolutely take responsbility for the things you did wrong like not seeking God’s guidence every step of the way or humbling yourself before Him if you failed to do those things. But don’t take on responsiblity that isn’t yours. It is not possible to do the job of every person in a large company, it’s called mircro managing and it’s stupid. So pray ask God to show you what you did wrong, ask for forgiveness, then let it go. He has. Don’t be the Christian Disney. Be the Christian Vischer. Make videos, movies, and most importantly video games. Have you seen the trash they sell? Yes you can do it all. You’re right you have to hire the right people. Hire me, I need a job and I’ll tell you the truth – even if you don’t want to hear it. You have an incredible mind – God created it for an amazing purpose. You apologized. Now go to work. Seriously video games – even if you don’t want to do them hire people to create them. My son says the sleeze factor in video games is worse in each generation of video games. But I digress. Back to you. Can’t you see it? Vischer films – real family films, the kind with no cursing. The Vischer name synomous with family entertainment the way Disney used to be. It could happen. Make it happen. Vischer theme parks – ok I’m kidding, we have too many theme parks. I don’t know what your dream is, but you do. Make it happen. Pray first.
Dear Phil,
Please pardon me for using your first name, it’s just that your efforts through Big Idea have been such a tremendous blessing to my kids, my husband and me that I feel that I know you by the Spirit.
My family and I can always tell which Veggie Tales videos you’ve had creative control over because the ones you’ve been in charge of seem to be more that just nice videos; they have an ANOINTING. We still watch the videos from when you were in control and we are just as blessed by them today as we were when we first bought them. We know God will continue the great work he started in you. We appreciate you so much.
From: Natalie, VA Beach, VA
Dr. Mr Vischer,
My husband and I are in the begining stages of filing bankruptcy after loosing our electrical company. We understand “no man’s land” we entered it and came out devistated. We lost everything we didn’t need, but came out of it understanding God in a whole new way. Thank you for your story it is comforting to know that we are not alone in where we are. God has the big picture to why things are allowed to happen. Veggie Tales have been a huge blessing to my 3 boys. Thank you for starting Big Idea and giving my kids good shows to watch and learn about God.
God Bless You
Carroll
Thank you for your testimony…. You have seen, then, not only the power of Jesus’ resurrection, but have shared in the fellowship of His suffering. One can’t truly KNOW our Lord without having done so. As my dear pastor says, “Welcome to the Kingdom.”
Phil,
I hope you get a chance to read this. I know it’s long past the time these events passed, but I pray that what I say can still touch you in whatever situation you’re in now.
First of all I want to share something with you; the phrase BHAG didn’t actually come from James Collins and Jerry Porras. It wasn’t originally about businesses either. It was coined by Jerry Falwell, an amazing man of faith who founded my school, Liberty University, a Christian university in Lynchburg VA.
Why am I telling you this?
Since his university’s inception in 1971, it’s been committed to raising up generations of Christian young people who will be champions for Christ, that was his BHAG. If my 3 years here at Liberty have taught me anything, I would say that Jerry’s audacious goal was to raise up people just like you.
As amazing as an idea Big Idea was, I think you know that even more important are the messages coming out via the company you dreamed up. Through the movies and stories, thousands and thousands of children are being exposed to what may be the only reason they one day look to Christ for their salvation.
Being a champion for Christ means sometimes you may face defeat; just like any war there are wins and losses of battles every day; but we know some things for sure can never be taken from us.
1 Corinthians 4:7-18 : in the end, what is unseen lasts forever.
Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
‘Though a company was ‘lost’ so to speak, the truth is that that God used Big Idea for a season and may today even be using it in a beautiful way. The battle isn’t about millions of dollars, it’s about what you did best, serving Him with everything you had and walking out on faith, which you did. Don’t second guess yourself, a few million dollars here is nothing compared to the riches and glory of God anyway, he wants hearts, not millions.
I truly appreciate you posting this article, it made me more aware of the dangers in business, and prayerfully I’ll be able to avoid some of the pitfalls you inadvertently made; but even more so I appreciate you, being willing to put yourself out in the open and expose your heart and vulnerabilities for the world to see.
Sincerely
-Matt Lombardo
I loved reading your story because I went through something similar (on a much, much smaller scale). I really struggled with the idea of stepping out in faith in God and the result not being “success” after a dream of mine turned on me and died. Through it, I realized God’s ultimate goal for me is to become more Christlike and He knows what it will take for me to draw close to Him and lean on Him. For me, it defiantly isn’t success. I wish it were. Thanks for your honesty. Amoreena
*sigh* I hate that this whole sordid ordeal came of such a wonderful company! As I read, I pictured my family’s life and where we were at each stage…watching the videos, Jonah, and Veggies Live….no idea of the behind-the-scenes struggles. We’ve been Veggie Tales fans since my son was a toddler (and we watched some episodes over and over and over). I have very fond memories of my two children, quiite young, playing and “going to the Promised Land.” My family has been blessed by your ministry and we will now pray for you all, as we continue to buy each new video as it comes out!
phil, my heart breaks with yours, and i too have grown in humility through doing what i believed in and finding it didn’t always work out as i thought it would. we all have dreams; i admire your willingness to take on the big challenges this world demands, and remain standing when it didn’t work out. certainly retaining our faith in our Lord, and growing in Him are the most important necessary outcomes of any success or failure. our large family all rear our children on Vege Tales, and continue to do so. i believe the original productions will always build up those who view them, and honor God in doing so; i pray future productions will continue in the same path. i will be praying for you. find God’s dream for your future – Big or small, and fly with it. this world will fight against Him, but it won’t win in the end. His Big Ideas are eternal.
We love you Phil.
In our prayer time together, we have actually prayed out loud for you and Mike and Big Idea and we continue to thank God for you.
We are sorry the road was so rough.
You have made a difference. Please trust that.
The first DVD we EVER BOUGHT was Jonah. It remains Mom’s favorite movie, to date.
At two years old, our oldest son started drawing Veggies. We have so many pictures. Five years later they are still his most favorite subject. His dream is to grow up and make more Bob and Larry movies… “A Lesson in………!”
We remember praying for you in 2003 when we first heard of “problems at Big Idea.”
We own every video or DVD ever made, including Penguins and Cartoon Adventures.
I paid almost $70 for used Dave and the Giant Pickle and Josh and the Big Wall playsets on Ebay.
My kids have dressed up as in [awesome] homemade Jimmy and Jerry and french pea costumes for the Harvest Party.
All our birthday cakes have Veggies on them.
We own just about every book.
WE TRAVELED SEVEN HOURS TO TAKE OUR KIDS TO LIVE VEGGIE TALES SHOW IN 2005.
And again, even with my husband in the hospital, I took my kids an hour from home [while 8 months pregnant] so they wouldn’t miss Bob and Larry on Stage.
We own all but one CD.
We are committed to Big Idea.
AND WE LOVED SIDNEY AND NORMAN TOO!!!!!!!! Keep those coming! 😉
We will pray for you again, tonight.
Galatians 6:9 – our homeschool’s life verse…
“Never grow tired in doing good, for at the right time you will gather a crop if we don’t give up.”
Hang in there.
Remember, “what (others) meant for evil God can use for good.”
I’ve always loved the veggie tales, although I’m not a parent yet, and so haven’t bought any myself yet.
I read the first 5 pages of your blog, but couldn’t get through all 11(?) pages of such detail. I skipped to the lessons learned.
I wanted to comment that you had no way of knowing that a student in the audience expected an apology for the failure of your company. His expectation that you would apologize to a roomful of what you thought were objective listeners was a little unrealistic.
However, it is very noble of you to be so considerate of others and apologize here on this blog (where others who were offended might read it).
It’s neat how many people really cared about the company and felt attached to your dream themselves.
I feel that God is going to use Christian entertainment to impact our culture, and your dream played (and can still play)a valuable part in what God is doing across the country. Bankrupcy doesn’t stop His ultimate plans for us!
Great honesty and heart.
Tozer wrote that those who God would use mightily, He must first hurt deeply.
You qualify.
David had Bathsheba’s husband killed, Paul approved of Stephen’s stoning, you were not perfect and let some people down.
David was a man after God’s own heart. Paul did some amazing stuff. God is not finished with you, my friend.
Thanks for sharing an episode of your life. A few mistakes, but so much good …
I still have the picture of my four year old daughter dressed up as Junior Asparagus in my mind. My wife custom made a costume with a 30″ head dresst. It was better than you would find in any store.
You personally should be able to look accross the endless field of good seeds you have sown. With all the blessings that your ideas have sparked, and continue to spark in the lives of others. You cannot put a value on that !
That is why we all are here, to be fruitful and multiply the fruit on our own trees, so that all who pass through the garden of our lives dont walk away empty handed. You have planted good seed in the life of every family in America that desired to raise their kids with morals, Christian or not.
You no doubt have a tremendous balance in your spiritual bank account. The good has been let loose because of you and cannot ever be reined in again. What! did you think you would not get attacked for that. You know it says in Proverbs that God will replace seven times that which has been stolen from you in life, if the thief is caught. And the Word tells you who the thief is. It sounds to me like you need to study what your Universal rights are. You know there is a book out by the Creator of the Universe, in which all things created, visible or invisible are subject to the words in that book. I suggest you stand up for that which has been stolen from you times seven.
God Bless.
You have blessed my family.
Casey
I read your whole story (except for the legal stuff I skimmed over). Thank you for your testimony and for saying that you are sorry. It all seems so big, but remember that God is always bigger and He will use this all for good.
Blessings to you, your family, and all the Veggies,
Ellen Adams
I was introduced to Veggie Tales by one of my 2nd grade students who shared “Madam Blueberry” with me. I loved it. Sheepishly, because I did not have any children of my own, I went out the next day and bought “The Toy That Saved Christmas.” My husband thought I was crazy…then he watched it with me. Nine years and three kids later it is a family favorite. We love those episodes for their truth, HUMOR, and simplicity. You are a fantastic storyteller, Phil, and we’ve missed you. I can’t wait to check out your new projects!
After reading this story my prayer’s go to the Vischer family. I, too lost my business several years ago. As a Christian I wondered where GOD was in all the noise and why he would let this happen. Although our loss was on a much smaller scale (in dollar amount), it still hurt us very deeply on all levels. This story was inspiring and thought-provoking. I now realize that GOD “allowed” this to happen to get my attention. GOD Bless you Phil and your family!
I have a question… How did BIg Idea get to Franklin, TN.?
Who is the acutal owner now as of 11-18-2007?
Thank You!!! and God Bless you.
My pastor, Roger Ross, led me to this site. You see, the sermon last Sunday was about dealing with loss.
My husband and I, late for church last Sunday, made our way during opening announcements to the only empty seats left in the church (always at the front, you know.) Pastor began by recounting a bit of your Big Idea tribulations. I swallowed hard to smooth the lump in my throat.
You see, two weeks ago, MY dream died.
It was a community meeting place. We spent a year framing walls, laying slate floor tiles, and creating a beautiful bakery/cafe in a small town in central Illinois. God provided in MIRACULOUS ways to build this place and He kept it running for 13 months. I sacrificed countless hours (as baker I began at 3am and ended my day at 7pm; I convinced my parents into moving from the Chicago area to this little town to help take care of my children (my parents still have yet to sell their home in Elk Grove); I allowed my husband to take care of the books and work in the restaurant 7 days a week after his own 50hr work week; and I enlisted my nine and thirteen year old to run the cash register every other weekend. We closed for many reasons, but the final nail in our coffin was sabatoge (someone let the freon out of our freezer) and we had no reserves to recover.
Our shop attacted many mothers with small children, business people, fellowship groups, bible studies, and families of believers and non-believers in the community. We also had people in town including our mayor, that saw us as a threat instead of an asset. I admit freely that I made various mistakes as a new restaurant owner.
I am just beginning to come to terms with the “Oh why, Lord” questions that are inevitable.
As my husband and I listened to the sermon, I thanked God for my insignificant loss compared to the testimony of one of our parishoners who lost her son in Iraq last year. Her child. I wept.
Years ago, I was a youth director and I remember how much I looked forward to the release of each new Veggie Tale videocasette because the children all the way up to Jr High would come in droves for a lively “movie night” with tons of discussion.
I too am saddened by your struggles and loss. As I come to terms with the reprocussions of the death of my own dream, I want to thank you for telling your story. I want to thank you for creating Veggie Tales. I want you know that not only did my youth groups enjoy them, but also my children and family.
Thank you.
Friends in Christ,
Marisa
Phil, what an amazing story! Though not as amazing as the joy you’ve givien my family. Bob and Larry (and the others) will live with my family for a long time. My children are 10, 8, and 1. All 3 have enjoyed the adventures God has enabled you to create. Now, with our 1 year old, we are reintroducing ourselves to all the characters again. I’m 44 and I even catch myself singing the songs throughout the day. I just learned, and am saddened by, what happened with Big idea but am ecouraged by the fact that God is sovereign. And to just let you know, my 1 year old loves to play with his Dress-up Mix-up Larry. Don’t tell anyone, but so do I.
May God Bless You,
Michael
Mr. Vischer,
I don’t see this story as tragic at all. If anything it has truly inspired me to assess and re-assess the company I started and left my job for; Big G Tech Support.
I noticed the transition when I watched Larry Boy and the Bad Apple. Something had changed in that time period because I did not see you or the other people of Big Idea’s. That ultimately drove me to do some research on what happened; plus one question I will ask at the end of this.
I am truly grateful that you wrote it and while our mistakes and agenda can truly be painful; how we react to them is still our individual choice. To those who were hurt; they have the opportunity to truly shine as Christians by not being offended and allowing their “feelings” to motivate their actions. Instead, to forgive and forget as God has done with EACH of us.
From the business side, thank you for openly sharing your successes and opportunities for improvement. God gave me a “vision” through a visiting Pastor to our Church of tried creditibility back in 2004. I was just born again in Dec 2002 and not looking for this; yet it had been with me most of my life. The thing I’m continually learning is not to allow myself to get ahead of God’s vision; because it is His 1st. I am the steward of that Vision, but He is the OWNER.
My manna this morning was Isa 66:2 – “This is the one I esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word.”
If you have any other wisdom you could offer, please email me directly at gben-ami@BGTSLLC.com. It is my desire to be obedient and faithfully carry out God’s plan. I was just telling my wife I want to be responsible with what God has entrusted me with.
Question: Why does Bob not like the Courtney song? I’d like to know the inside joke on that one.
So thank you again sir.
Wow. What an amazing experience. With each heart beat, each breath God gives you, whether you are succeeding or failing, you are really living. And not just living, you are living for Him. It sounds like you did progress off the path for awhile in this rather epic experience, Pilgrim Christian. Then you found yourself again. I am so thankful your soul was not lost with your company. You were and remain a disciple of the Lord’s. As a few wise men (and women) have said, we are called to be saints, no matter what our job, occupation, or preoccupation in life is. Your recounting of your experience is vivid, riveting, and vibrant. Forgive my simple (and ignorant) point of view, but it appears perhaps that God simply loved your small, lovely, humble company made up of his servants and wanted it to continue that way. Perhaps you were not destined (or sanctioned by heaven) to become a “big” company. And as for the “no man’s land” why is it such a difficult thing to identify a range in which to call companies “medium?” Why is moving from a small to medium to a large company looked upon more as a curse than a blessing? Furthermore, it must be possible to remain a small company, even if you amass a fortune in profits. Perhaps that is the challenge God is hoping a good Christian company should try to fulfill. Don’t let the wealth or the demand control you. Take your direction from God and do everything in your power to maintain a humble, simple station in life. In any case, I am very glad for you that you have your house, your family, and your future. No one can take away your talent, ideas, and creations. So many of us are still vastly enjoying the fruits of your work! Our family is sadly observing the shallowness that has come over Veggie Tales since your departure. We noticed in that in the Land of Ha’s there is even an anti-Christian suggestion made in addition to its Godlessness. Your work with Big Idea makes up a large part of our Christian “arsenal” against the mainstream and deviant influences out there along with our other Bible and saint videos and books. Your mission started out as a great one, and one that was desperately needed. It is still desperately needed. You paved the way for popular Christian media. You really have changed the face of enterainment and will remain the “founding father.” I hope you may continue to create in some way. But regardless of what work you may do, I hope and pray that you, your family, and your old Big Idea comrades grow closer to God each and every day. I hope you continue to take a healthy pride in the absolutely wonderful, silly, Biblical, sweet, morally right-on contributions to mankind you have made! God bless you!
J. Mathew and family
Phil: You are a “David” in the eyes of God. Not perfect, but passionate and dedicated and brave beyond all human reason. A man after God’s own heart. Thank you for sharing your gifts and your dream with us all. We always remain your raving fans…
Laticia and Matthew
Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. Proverbs 3:5-6 (NIV)
ps: we are looking forward to your next dream…
No one hits a home run, unless they step up to the plate.
You sir, stepped up, & hit the ultimate home run!
Your creation of Veggie Tales has inspired millions of kids and adults to consider the wonders of our Lord.
I would call THAT… a bases loaded, swung (is that a word?) at the perfect pitch, hit out of the ballpark, full tilt grand slam home run!
Can’t wait to visit with you in eternity! Stay on the narrow path!
Blessings, my friend.
Thank you for sharing this witness.. it was a brave thing to do.
Dear Phil,
I am a fellow dreamer and I find your story truly inspiring. You make me think of Joseph in the Bible who was on his way to seeing his dreams come true as Potiphar’s right-hand man. Joseph had become “successful,” but then he was falsely accused, thrown into prison and had seemingly lost everything. But if he didn’t go to prison, he never would have met Pharaoh’s cup-bearer. Making that one single prison connection opened the door for Joseph to interpret Pharaoh’s dream. The rest is as they say “History…”
I wonder what God has planned for you Phil? I’ll bet its even bigger than Big Idea was in 1999. My wife, kids and I can’t wait to see God’s comeback for your life. Thanks for being so open and honest with all of us.
Your friend in Messiah,
Joe Bell
Thanks so much for sharing this. I suppose I just wanted to add my voice to all the others and tell you that you may never have a true inclination of the extent of the impact your “Big Idea” has had on the many lives it has touched.
In a world where so many seek self exoneration, and lay blame on others it is refreshing to hear your words, and hear a man who will advocate personal responsibility in the face of disaster. That was the most inspiring part for me.
I pray you and Lisa and all the others involved in this adventure will find even more (peaceful) adventures that continue to honor God in your futures.
Thank you.
I have loved and enjoyed VeggieTales ever since the age of…10, I think? My parents started buying the videos for my younger brother at that time, and I enjoyed watching them with him. Oddly enough, though, my favorite VeggieTales memory is from my senior year of high school. On a “day off” from our studies, our history teacher showed us the Top 10 Silly Songs Countdown video (since we were a public school, we couldn’t really watch any other VeggieTales tapes), and it became something of a favorite with all of us. In fact, a group of girls used the Cebu song as a dance number in a show we presented that year.
I guess I’m trying to say that VeggieTales has had a tremendous impact on so many, even if it’s just been as a bit of entertainment. It’s certainly a good alternative to a lot of family programming out there; sad to say, but much of it is pretty worthless, both in terms of entertainment value and in general value for children. Not only is VeggieTales tremendously entertaining; it also provides lessons that children (even those who are a bit older than would normally be called children!) can take away with them. God truly allowed Big Idea to be a blessing to many during its season of being. It’s tremendously sad that it had to end in such an explosive way.
Thank you for having the courage to share these difficult events with us. Hopefully, with the ending of that season of your professional life, lessons have been learned and God is providing new opportunities so a new season can begin. May He bless you as you continue to move forward!
Well, I read the entire account, and with all due respect, I still don’t think you’ve accepted and admitted your true mistake. There are no other factors that caused this collapse – but that your ego lost control. You even admit that you didn’t have a BHAG when you decided you wanted to try and be a multinational conglomerate. THAT, Phil, was God telling you to slow down. That this was NOT a good idea.
But your ego wanted to Big Idea to be Disney. It’s very easy to convince yourself that decisions you’re making are for God, but this one was so obviously not. God had given you the gift of success with Big Idea. You were reaching people, touching hearts. What do you do if your company is growing 3300%?
You keep doing what you’re doing, you don’t decide to try and become a multi-billion dollar conglomerate.
You do owe people, lots of people an apology. But you owe God and yourself the biggest apology.
It’s so easy for people to make terrible decisions, have things fail, and then say, “It’s God’s will, God’s plan.” No. God gives us free will. If we mess it up, it’s our fault. Don’t put the responsibility of error on God. He had given you something glorious and you wanted more. That was the problem.
So, now, start over. But do it the right way. Look back to the days when Veggie Tales was first taking off. Remember your heart then, how it felt, where it was at, what was driving you. THAT is how you should live every day from now on. Go back to the basics. Clear all the 1998-2005 stuff out of your head. ALL of it.
I wish you all the best. You have a gift – a God-given gift – and you should continue to use it. Just don’t get clouded about what that gift actually is.
May God bless and keep you,
Paul Guyot
Mr. Visher,
I read your interview with Marcus Goodyear in Howard Butt’s “High calling of our daily lives”. My daughters have grown up with Veggie Tales. I don’t know who loved them more, them or me. I have shared my VHS and DVD copies with as many people as I can in an effort to bring others to the stories.
All I can say, besides “Thank You” for your years of work is this:
The opposite of Success is not Failure. Failure is an integral part of Success. The opposite of Success is Quitting. Please, never quit what you set out to do so many years ago. You have impacted too many lives.
I wish you huge successes in the future.
God Bless!
Phil –
I had no idea. Having worked in the GCI industry, I completely understand the snowball effect you described as wanting to be “bigger and better” back in 1998.
Your ministry is still vitally important to so many of us. My children would rather watch at VT DVD than one of our many Disney movies. My own daughter (5 yo) insists that one of the pictures of the “production babies” that appears at the beginning of “Why we do what we do” of the 10th Anniversary Big Idea logo is HER. She started it back when she was 2 years old, and even now at 5 I can’t convince her anything else.
I am so glad that in the fallout of 2004 has not resulted in your’s or Mike’s removal.
Stay strong…God is still with you.
Congratulations on the opening of the VeggiePirates today. And thanks so much for posting such an open and candid account of what happen at Big Idea. I have met so many people whose dreams have been inspired in part by Disney, that there has to be something deep in us that identifies with what he accomplished.
Keep creating and smiling — even when the hurt hurts most.
Wisdom is seeing how to bless people even when we have pain. And it looks like you have grown a lot in wisdom.
Take care. Really.
It takes guts to stand up and say what you’ve said. My heart breaks for you. We’re a family of 11 (children range from 2 to 19) and we’re all huge fans of VeggieTales. My two year old is positively addicted. “Bop” and “LarLar” are his most favorite things in the world. He carries his collection of “Jah-jah’s” (VeggieTales shows) around the house with him and he seems to have memorized which show is which from the tape itself (not from the covers which he long ago loved to death.) His Christmas was VeggieTale centered; something he seemed to know–he ripped into one and showed up with his prize two days before Christmas. We love you and will pray for you. God has used you to greatly bless us. Thank you.
Phil-
I couldn’t agree more with a previous poster.
Get back on the horse and create again!
History is filled with countless examples of endurance in the business field. Many men have failed in their attempts and gone on to achieve great things. Armed with the lessons you learned the hard way from Big Idea, you can strive to reach the goal that awaits you next.
Blessings and peace,
The Popp home of rabid Veggie fans.
hi phil! amazing read. thanks for sharing with us the story of Big Idea’s rise and fall. you’re a rare breed of person; it’s not often you come across people who genuinely admit to their mistakes, especially big ones. your honesty and humbleness are moving and inspiring. as an artist who wants to make it in the world of digital storytelling, i appreciate the lessons and insights you have shared. and if i may say so, you sound like a great person to work for. all leaders make mistakes but the truly awesome ones seem to be able to acknowledge them and move on. i look forward to hearing about your next ventures.
oh and congratulations for the recent verdict concerning the original Lyrick case. sweet vindication. God is good, always.
i had the distinct impression while reading this account that i was absorbing something very important. i don’t know what that is yet, but it seems to me that this story, this legacy, is very important for people like me to read about and meditate on. as a christian working in media, your story seems 4 dimensional, almost prophetic. thank you for sharing it with humility, wit, grace and honesty.
and it is definitely not over…
can you please write a book?? i would definitely read it.
-china
For what it’s worth, I understand what it feels like to have a dream to use talents and abilities to bring God’s message of hope to people and have that dream ripped away by circumstances that seem to be out of your control. I know what it feels like to be faced with impossible decisions and know that you just have to make the one that seems to have the least ugly afteraffects. I think you did what you had to do. You were dealt blows. You tried everything you could think of to save your dream. And you were rewarded with life…sometimes it is awesome…sometimes it sucks. Thank you for going the lengths you did to bring Bob and Larry to our kids. My youth group loves them. I’m 26 years old and I adore them personally. I’ll always believe in everything Big Idea tries. I’m sorry you had to deal with so much crap. But there are a lot of us still on your side.
God Bless you today and the days ahead.
You shouldn’t have to be sorry. This same thing happened to Wil Vinton. He is an artist at heart, and did not think anyone would think it smart in the long run to rip him off in the short run. But, the problem with the entertainment industry is that it is surrounded by thieves. Too Bad, I say. I hope you are able to continue to create works like the veggie tales, etc.. And God be with you.
Wow, what a roller coaster ride! Thanks for sharing the story. The kids and I enjoyed all the Veggie Tales productions. Thanks for getting them made.
Phil, Thank you for your vision. The Veggie Tales series helped us raise 7 children on good christian values.
My kids would like to know one thing. You had a “name that Veggie” contest for a character that was still nameless and we were wondering what name you all came up with?
God Bless and we will be looking for your new work at Jelly!
Mark Keller
Boonsboro, Maryland
The most important thing, in my opinion, is that you made a difference. I’ve always liked the quote that goes something like “leave the world a better place than when you found it.” You did that, Phil. You touched the lives and hearts of millions of adults and children, and you and bob & larry will definitely be remembered and cherished. You did a great thing, and we all thank you for it.
Bob, Larry, and Phil and Mike and all of Big Idea have given me so much. The tangible assets may not exist outside of our video collection, but my children have learned and embraced and loved stories from the bible because of what you all put into the dream. Your story of business challenges and bankruptcy mirror the business challenges my husband and I have had as well and I have often wondered “I thought God had led me to this, that this was the answer to our prayers, yet now it isn’t working. What is going on? What does God want me to do?” He’s taught us how to hold on and how to let go, but we still struggle with knowing when to hold and when to fold… It is a challenge to face these things with a faithful and willing heart – perhaps that is the lesson God wants me to learn – I don’t know. But each day we struggle, each day we strive to do God’s will, and each day we pray he’ll send us an answer. We’ve gotten so much stronger than we ever thought possible and we’ve learned that we can bear great joy and great pain. The morning always comes. Your story of the “fall of Bob and Larry” has helped me greatly – even if only to get through another day. Thank you thank you thank you!
Wow. What a story. I was shocked to hear that Big Idea went bankrupt and am glad that you have described how that happened. I have been peripherally aware of Veggie Tales since 1998 when a 7th grade student of mine was a huge fan. I paid it little attention however until last year when my 3 year old borrowed Larry Boy and the Bad Apple from the library. Now he has added Larry-Boy to his repertoire of superheroes (Batman, Spiderman, and Power Rangers (green, red, and black). What a great addition, and gentler than the rest.
I am not a church-goer although I grew up going to church. I usually avoid media that is targeted specifically to the Christian market. However, I do enjoy the Veggie Tales–mostly because they are really funny and I enjoy the parodies of pop culture. I am happy to let my three children (7, 5, and 3) watch them because, in addition to humor and action, they also offer some good lessons for living life, how to treat other people and yourself–without being too preachy about it.
Anyway, I am glad to see that you and your team are still involved in making more VT fare. My kids and I enjoyed the Pirates. You don’t have to be a practicing Christian to appreciate a good story. Rock on, Larry-Boy!
Dear Phil:
Like so many readers, I had no inkling of what Big Idea went through.
I read your story of Big Idea and your trials and tribulations, and I come to a completely different conclusion than you seem to. While it is true that Big Idea failed as a company, you did not fail as a person. In the secular world, we are all judged by what we have. But ask yourself the important question – what have you given, and what do you continue to give? For me to enumerate what you have given my family would require another 11 part tome. Let me distill it down to this – you have truly entertained, educated, and enlightened me and my family. You have tuaght us of God’s love for us. To my eye, that makes your buisness ‘failure’ pretty trivial…
Dear Phil,
I had no idea about everything that happened to Big Idea… but I have to say that Bob and Larry have been a very solid part of our household since we first meet them. My husband and I unashamedly proclaim that we LOVE VeggieTales for the values, the wit, the sidesplitting humor, and the good clean entertainment it provides us and our 3 children. My five year old has loudly sung every silly song word for word in the car or watching the video ever since she was 2 (okay, me too). Thank you for all of it and good luck with the future. God’s path for us is much better than our own…
I remember when I was in Bible College how inspired I was by what you had done. In my mind you were doing very much the same thing that focus on the family was doing. I liked the idea of effecting the world by producing media that was truly high quality not simply “good enough for a Christian audience.”
When I graduated in 1996, the only “computer nerd” to even attend my bible college, I thought that there were only two places I would really ultimately want to work, Big Idea or Focus on the Family. I really believed that the world could be changed. Not just reached by God, but fundamentally changed.
I thought of the church leadership as a collection of noble servants of God. Just the same way I thought of myself. I thought as long as I intended to glorify God, as long as my heart was in the right place, and I followed the words of God I could make things happen purely by willing them to be so.
I have earned a lot of hard lessons since then:
1. A lot of those leaders are just business men.
2. The legal entities we have created to structure God’s church do not often put God first.
3. God’s plan is to save people not to change the nature of this fallen world.
4. There are plans, marriages, and hopes that no amount of prayer, or personal sacrifice can save simply because I will it to. Sometimes I think that is the drawback to freewill.
5. God never gives up on us. He is the God of second chances. And thirds, and fourths. Long after I had to give up the vision that I HAD for my life, God was still with me. His love still touched me at every turn, and he continued to be ever faithful.
Brother Phil,
First, Bob and Larry and all you guys are family to us! My kids all went to see the Pirates movie on day one.
Thanks for explaining what happened with Big Idea and giving us a glimpse of how God is working in your life. It is always an encouragement to hear about how faithful God is in taking our complicated “Jacob-ness” and bringing us back to basics…just us and Him….The sheep and the shepherd.
I am reminded of what a Christian writer wrote about how God is much more concerned about the work He does IN a man than the work He can do THROUGH him…because once He has the IN part done, the through part takes care of itself. Your gift will continue to make room for you, and bring you before kings, as Proverbs says.
Thank you for your labor of love. It is not in vain in the Lord.
Thank you for telling the whole, sad story of VeggieTales. I must confess that my kids and I got away from VeggieTales after Jonah (for what it’s worth, we saw it in the theatres in Canada several times–tho’ I don’t remember if we saw it that first weekend), but have come back to it since (we all liked the new Pirates movie, but felt a little of the edgy zing that we all love in VT was missing–maybe now I know why).
I have to share one anecdote with you. In 2000, my wife led a group of Canadian university students on a study tour of India–a series of great stories in themselves. She was bunking with some of the female students in a shabby, none-too-clean rooming house provided by a Lutheran pastor who was ministering to a slum in Hyderabad, and she noticed that one of the students was getting herself ready for bed, combing her hair and quietly singing to herself,”Oh where….is my hairbrush? Oh where…is my hairbrush?” In that moment, a lot of the struggle and the hard living melted away, and the two shared a small moment of great joy that they will always remember. There’s something about being halfway around the world, living in harsh conditions with near-strangers on a trip already fraught with tensions, that demands that only a Silly Song can make everything right again.
For my part, I have made VeggieTales a part of a course I teach on English Literature and the Bible–discussing the audacity and genius of taking the David and Bathsheba story and retelling it with…duckies. Along with the wicked humour and the solid Christian teaching, I have also loved VeggieTales’ daring in tackling challenging themes (our family once had a long discussion about child labour after watching Rack Shack and Benny). And, OK, we love the songs, too. All of them. Not just the silly ones.
Whatever else you have caused to happen, whatever mistakes you have made, nothing can erase the immense joy that VeggieTales has brought, even to three boys in a small Canadian city, and to two homesick women in a sweltering Indian summer.
God bless you, Phil–and all the VeggieTales crew.
Dear Mr. Vischer,
Thank you so much for your humility and candidness regarding a situation that is so painful for you and many others.
We (my family) just recently learned that Big Idea (the original) was no longer in existence when we were looking up release info on the new Veggie movie. We were devestated to find out that the Veggies were owned by a non-christian company. We knew that it meant the end of something near and dear to our hearts.
We did go and see the new Veggie movie but honestly it was not the same. God was never mentioned. There was a different “feel” to the movie, even though the voices sounded the same. The story had a good moral but didn’t take us anywhere like the Veggie shows of old. It was rather sad. It was evident that there was a different spirit to the movie. And while it was still “clean” the removal of the hand of God was evident. In fact, at the end of the movie, as the lights came up, my eight year old daughter looked at me with a sad face and said “they really aren’t going to be christians anymore are they?” Even an eight year old could sense the difference.
However………be encouraged! The work you did still lives on in our hearts (and DVD) and has had a great impact on many lives. Your years of hard work were not in vain!
I know God is still working a good gift in you and will take what you have learned with Big Idea, both good and bad, and use it for His glory. And we will be excited to see you move in obedience!
Sincerely,
The Wardas
Phil:
I appreciate all you have done in putting to “pen” what happened with Big Idea Productions. To be honest, I think that this sad story just shows the truth behind the saying that we followers of Christ should not try to do things “for” God, but rather should do things “with” God.
I read the whole story you posted online and it certainly appears you were trying to do many things “for” God, but ended up doing very little “with” Him. While I understand the desire for “big” visions, I think they are often not from God. As the Bible says, God chooses the foolish things to shame the wise. All of the great things that the body of Christ can accomplish in this world occurs simply out of a desire to let God live through us, and not through a desire to accomplish great things.
Having said that, I trust that God has shown you these truths through this whole scenario, and I trust that you are making yourself available to Him to do what He wants to do. To that end, press on!
Dearest Phil:
Wow! Thank you for sharing your story and your heart. No matter WHAT happened, you did a marvelous thing! You brought God’s Word in a unique and fun way to a dark, sinful world. Bob and Larry will always be remembered. My husband and I still laugh over some of the storylines and the antics of those adorable vegetables (and fruit). My kids (and my husband and I) can always draw back from the spectacular videos whenever we need to recall Bible stories. I teach a ladies Sunday School class and it was hard not to break into song when I taught the book of Esther…by the way, WHAT KIND of vegetable was Queen Esther?
I agree with others who posted comments. Do not give up! Mr. Hershey tried SEVERAL times before he came up with the perfect chocolate and now look at his empire…and it still lives on, long after he left this earth.
I truly believe God humbles us in unique ways to teach us, school us and to bring us to a place where He can direct our lives in the ways He wills…not our own. May you find solace and comfort knowing that He will never leave you nor forsake you.
Psalm 139:16…All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
Thanks for explaining the rise and fall of Big Idea. Not knowing any of this, I was a big fan of Big Idea when it started, but lost interest in it when the mountains of products started to come out. Now I better understand what was happening. In the early days of Big Idea I wore a Veggie Tales t-shirt at Disney World, and I kept getting questions from people about what Veggie Tales was. I thought it was pretty amazing that so many people who had spent the big bucks to be at Disney World were asking about my Veggie Tale shirt. At that time, I would have believed that Big Idea could be the next Disney. Something ellse I’ve got to say is THANK YOU for sharing your dream with us. It didn’t work out like you expected. Not many of my dreams do either.
No matter who has Bob and Larry now, you still created them and shared them with us. No one can take that away from us. Frankly, that was a tremendous gift to millions of us out here. Failures, shmailures. Big Idea may have ended up a failure as a business as far as the world is concerned, but it changed and/or enhanced a lot of lives. Sure a lot of people got hurt, but is it really your fault? I’m not convinced. Just as you showed how it really wasn’t anyone else’s fault, maybe you need to see how it wasn’t totally yours either. It’s my fault, too, because I didn’t buy all the product Big Idea started to sell. Is deciding who’s fault it was what really needs to be done with Big Idea? Tell me what ministry you can get into without getting hurt.Tell me what ministry is going to last forever? All I can say is thanks, for Big Idea, for Bob and Larry, for all the effort you put in to the dream. Over all, the world is a better place for it.
And remember. YOU aren’t Big Idea. You are Phil. YOU aren’t a failure. God is using you now in powerful ways with your testimony about your Big Idea.
you have an awesome story. an american drama by all means. maybe you can make that into a movie (slow your thinking down buddy ok. one step at a time. lol).
i’ve heard about VeggieTales for many, many years but never really paid attention til last year. i bought my daughter God Made You Special dvd and she loves it, especially the songs and she’s only 2 (i love the movie too, just don’t tell anyone). and it has gotten me very interested in getting the other dvds. but learning of your story makes me want to re-evaluate my life and decisions. i pray God will direct your path so that He gets all the glory with whatever you do. checked out your current studio’s website and you are doing a great job. be encouraged and remain faithful to Christ in all you do, and keep telling us your stories because in the world we are living in, we truly need to hear them. grace and peace
The one part of the story that struck me is your continued use of the terms “ownership, parenthood, etc” of Bob and Larry.
NO!
This is the artist’s dilemma. Every man in history who’s ever put pen to paper, brush to canvas, or stacked one stone on top of another has faced the gaggle of good-for-nothings, (well meaning and not) who show up with an endless list of excuses as to why they own part of the author’s work. The more successful the endevour, the larger the gaggle. You got yourself a doozey. Just about everyone ever born makes a horses-rear-end of themselves arguing over money. Almost no one ever born gets up off of it and creates anything.
Bob and Larry are yours. Period. No court, judge, gavel, lawyer or agreement can ever change that. They were a gift from your creator, yours for all eternity. They, in a small way, changed the lives of hundreds of thousands of children. That lasts forever.
Compared to what Bob and Larry have done for my children, God is utterly unconcerned about all those millions of dollars, or which little human has a paper saying he’s the owner of a cartoon character.
Oh and, by the way, I’m of the unpopular opinion that you absolutely do not owe anyone an apology. No one was forced to work for you, be your fans, or, in the end, take responsibility for your mistakes.
Greetings:
I edited the Lyrick Studios Veggie Tales release tapes way back in the late 90s. I always enjoyed putting these tapes together on the days that I was not working on the second season of Wishbone, or other projects for Dick Leach. Your programs were very funny. Technically average(when compared to high -end broadcast video), but very very creative and super clever.
I always felt proud to even out the video, chroma, and black levels of the D2 masters of these wonderful early Veggie Tales 3D animation programs so that they were “broadcast quality” before they went to the duplication facility.
Dick Leach was a wonderful, kind, and good Christian man. He would be very disappointed with the way Hit Entertainment is being run today.
FYI most of what was once Lyrick Studios is gone. Barney and Friends is about to be moved to Orlando, Florida to be produced as cheaply as possible by uncaring “money first” people. Very sad….
Live and learn. God has something better for you. You are an amazing talent. God bless you!! You have a pure heart. You are a good man.. Veggie Tales really aren’t the same without you.
I just saw “The Pirates who don’t do anything” tonight with my 20 month old daughter–and i noticed a big difference in the film from previous Veggie Tales. We watch and rewatch all the DVD’s of Veggie Tales that i’ve seen for over 10 years. I looked up about what happened to Big Idea and found this article…thank you So much for writing it! It is good to know what happened from your humble, yet witty perspective. I am very sad for you, and i hope you use your talent and lessons learned to do some more! I can’t tell you how much my daughter loves “tales” (she can’s say Veggie yet ;-). We love the songs and anything to do with Veggie Tales. I wish so much you were still in control of Big Idea. But i do have faith that there was a reason for what happened. Thanks for putting your talent to good use! Thanks for teaching our kids about God in a wonderfully funny way!
Wow, what a story. Through all that just remember why you do what you do. It’s not just for the little girl at the beginning of the shows, but it is for the God who became a man to save us so we could live with Him again. My kids have been so blessed by your many movies and the truths told in them. I thank you so much for that.
What an amazing story!! As I embark on a new business with Christian partners, we’ll benefit from your lesson of trusting your own convictions, not someone else’s. We just have to remember to trust God most of all. Thanks for sharing your story.
Thank you Phil for sharing this difficult story. God has used it to challenge me.
It could have happened to anyone. Personally to me you are a hero. You have no Idea how much of an impact Big Idea has had on my life and my sons. He’s only one and a half but he won’t watch any other cartoon. Thank you for inspiring him and thank you for dreaming. Your effects have not been in vain. May God Bless you greatly
Phil,
I just saw you speak at the NCMLC in North Little Rock. My son is now 14, so I kinda lost touch with Veggie Tales years ago. I was clueless to all that had happened until I saw you speak last Friday. You are an amazing story teller (even in truth). I was completely entralled. My favorite part of your message, and I was really hoping to see it in writing here, was when you were talking about dreams dying, and that if God is in the dream and the dream dies, you’ll still have God….something like that. I may not remember the exact words, but the concept stayed with me. It was a very powerful message and I thank you for that. May God continue to bless you.
Phil,
Congratulations.
You have experienced the joys and sorrows of a great accomplishment.
You have inspired more than one or two generations.
You created a fun, entertaining prototype for the next generation of Christian entertainers.
Maybe you’re not Walt, but perhaps you will inspire the person who inspires the person who will be.
You’ve inspired me. I have the same personality as Walt Disney, Thomas Edison, Nichola Tesla and other inventors. I’ve always dreamed of “doing something big”.
You’ve reached up and touched the sky for us. For all of us little guys who can’t seem to get out of survival mode, struggling to support a family on never enough.
You’re the guy that gave Christians something to point to as a fan and say, “See, Christians can accomplish great things!”
You’re a rock star, really.
Thank you for accepting what God called you to. For sharing your soul and your creation and risking the hard and unforgiving threats of the business world.
Thanks for the 30 minute baby sitter that gives my wife a break once in a while.
Thanks for the video to pop in and watch with my unconsoleable 2 and 3 year old when her mommy was gone to the grocery store.
Thanks for bouncing, singing fruit.
Thanks for silly songs and pirates and slap stick.
Thanks for doing it all with integirty and moral purpose and making something, anything a christian family can watch together. (and not feel like, no we can’t watch that, it might contain anti-christian messages)
Thanks.
David Willhite
P.S. I thought it would be cool if someone made a web site to function as a clearing house for free-lance computer geeks who want to do CGI, but could never get up the nerve to pursue it as a career. I know my brother in law wishes he could do that, instead of working for five figures at a company owned by IBM. But the reality is, there are too many risks to do what you did, for most people to seriously consider doing it.
Perhaps you could lead the charge in letting those people live their dream, at least part-time.
And who knows, you might just discover that person who is the “End-of-the-rainbow-Christian Walt Disney”. (or even do an American Idol type talent search for such a person)
Thank you for your courage. I’ve been moved to tears by your story and by the various posts here. More importantly you’ve impacted my husband, my daughters, and other members of my family with your work. My 2 and a half year old daughter learned how to draw Frankencelery and the closet monsters from the DVD “Where’s God when I’m Scared” that she got for Christmas this past year. And she does pretty well, too! I have cried and been emotionally healed by your message in “A Snoodle’s Tale”….Knowing that God loves us no matter what others say…it’s so comforting and potentially transforming. Somehow I knew you had to pay a price. A high price. God bless you for stepping out in faith; God bless your wife for being supportive in the face of tremendous odds. God bless your children; may they always see your heart was in the right place. I will pray that your business and artistic relationships that were damaged in all this will be healed and I believe God is able to bless all that are connected with Big Idea’s success especially if they are willing to make peace with the past. I am grateful for you, and that the situation with NBC attempting to take out “God” references didn’t have much to do with you. I know He will work it all out. Meantime…read one of these posts when you’re blue and be encouraged in the Lord. God bless!
Oh, one more thing…you’re whole story reminds me of a song by Randy Stonehill off his EQUATOR album: “Big Ideas (in the shrinking world)” Ever heard of it?
Sniffle, sniffle. now I know the sad truth.
I had no Idea all this was going on, I saw a news report and thought i’d check it out. I don’t hold it against you phil.
What a story. Interesting. I am sorry you went through this and am impressed that you took the blame. I just looked into who produced the Heros DVD we bought recently (for Esther most of all). Sony Wonder? Did they take over from Classic Media?
Anyway, my daughters still love Larry & Bob. They sing the songs. God bless you!
Thank You so very much….. My Daughter loves Your Videos, Songs, and all the characters you have created…., I Thank God for your efforts and Ministry. May The Lord Bless You.
Mr. Vischer,
I was searching to see what of veggie tales I could find online. I found your site and figured I would read a little because I was curious. The first veggie tales video I saw I think was called ” Are you my neigbor?” I was in seventh grade. I am now 20 years old. When I see veggie tales I still enjoy it and if the videos are still available when I have kids I’m sure I will show them. I am glad that through everything that happend you still trust in God and keep Him a priority in your life. Even though Big Idea has ended for you. Your work is still touching the lives of many families. I pray that God will continue to work in your life and use you to bless the lives of others, but most of all I hope that you and your family will keep God first and that He will bless you as He has blessed others through you.
Phil,
I remember the first time I saw the VeggieTales kiosk in my Christian bookstore. ‘Singing vegetables! How ridiculous! What will they stoop to next?’ I thought and didn’t give it a moment of my time.
A few months later I went to visit my best friend at college and she told me about this great Christian kids program she and her friends had gotten into… “If you like to talk to tomatoes… if a squash can make you smile…” she sang. She made me sit and watch the show and I fell in love with it!
A couple of years later I had my first daughter and found she loved the videos as much as I did. What a wonderful ministry you pioneered. You began something that will endure as long as there are mothers in need of good Christian programming for their kids. As long as there are people who enjoy good clean entertainment and a sense of humor. Thank you for following God’s call on your life and blessing us and our children!
Phil,
Thanks, for the truth. It’s hurts, so sorry for you and your staff.
We have 4 kids and they all love your shows.
I like the penguins the most personally, I think we have everything you guys made.
Thanks for Bob & Larry.
In one million years no one will remember or care about Bob Larry or the law suit. But what you didi to draw people to our Lord will still matter.
As many other guys have done who only planned on reading one or two parts of your story, I ended up reading the whole thing in only one sitting. To be quite honest, I didn’t even know Big Idea as I knew it through your TV episodes was gone. Too bad. I’ll hold the bad news to my grandchildren. I was just thinking of asking for Spanish translations of your work, (or suggest the work to be done) But let me tell you… there is one big thing I summarize your whole story with. I would say that Big Idea, a project originally created to spread The Word, marked its decline starting at a point when MONEY became more important than the Message. To me, that was the beginning of the end. The rest is frankly irrelevant, I think. It would’ve happened one way or another because God knows better.
Greetings from Almeria, Spain
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A woodpecker need not feel bad if it cannot fell a tree. God made beavers for that job. Nor should extraordinary story tellers feel bad if they cannot build Big Ideas.
Just as that crazy bird is good for the health of the forests, your gifts have been good for health of our souls.
I pray that you will find satisfaction in the job you were created to perform. Keep tapping your stories into the trunks of our conciousness.
Please let me know if you are working on anything new.
That must have been so incredibly hard to live through. Well I just wanted to thank you for bringing Bob and Larry to us it helps us as a family enjoy the lessons of the bible, and are a great tool for teaching my two young girls about god’s love. So thank you I and I am lokking forward to all the future gifts you are going to bring to us.
I never really knew what happened to Big Idea, my family always liked VeggieTales from the moment you started making them. Its funny, being raised on VeggieTales and Pixar from an early age I was inspired pretty early to head into the CGI field. I remember when I was 12 reading tutorials for Max done by a employee there and trying my hardest to achieve his result. I look back now that I am at an Art institute and working freelance I see the many ways that your work has influenced my life, from the values contained in each video to getting me interested in 3d from such an early age.
I was curious about Big Idea and some googling led me here, I read it all and that is a tragic story, and it is definitely something i will take to heart in the event that i ever put together a production team and get into the same kind of situation. Thank you for writing about everything, it was very informative. I am still trying to find out where God is going to put me in this industry. The entertainment industry can be dangerous arena for Christians, if you have time, writing about any tips or info on the Christian entertainment industry would be really informative for a upstart animator such as myself.
Thanks,
Chris Bezenah
My daughter and I enoyed (and still enjoy) Veggie Tales and the underlying important spiritual messages taught. Naturally the enemy would seek to attack and destroy anything that would draw the world to the messages of the bible. You are still standing, faith intact despite the many trials and that is what matters. We do not choose our trials but we can choose our saviour. Keep on doing what God has gifted you to do .. the world is blessed by your fruit.
WOW! What a story. Just know that Bob and Larry have done what you wanted them to do. They have gone into the world and have spread the Word. They have prompted questions(from child and parent alike) and have allowed the Holy Spirit to speak to the hearts of many. You wrote at the start of this story when your company was at that point of going from small to big that your question was “Do I just want to make a few films to leave behind when I’m gone, or do I want to build a company that can keep making great films for the next 100 years?†. From where I sit you have done just that. (look at Godtube and all the other Christian Artist who are looking at what you have done and are trying to do the same.) No you are not leading the deal but you started it. Just like Moses. He got to lead for a while and you got to lead for a while and you said yourself you didn’t know how to run the media stuff at the Hollywood level. I don’t like what happened to you and I have a really hard time with lawsuits but your goals were met. Bob and Larry continue on at the Hollywood level. You have done wonderful work. I hope you have another go of it. However, if you decide not to have another go of it, know that you have made a wonderful contribution to spreading the Word.
In short while your company was taken from you the Word was and is still spread to the people. Even more effectively then you could have done it and in ways that you have no idea how it will be done. There are artists out there willing to take a risk because God had you go first. I hope that this does not come across as hurtful. I can’t thank you enough for want you have done. I am amazed and awed by your honest presentation of what happened so the last thing I want to do is sound hurtful. I am hoping to show you that you did what you wanted to do and now it is being done on a bigger scale. You got to be a part of that and to me it is always amazing to see one of God’s chosen.
Thank you from me and my family
Dean
Dear Phil,
As the “Sole” leader of a small missionary ministry, I have had some pretty miserable failures in my endeavors to “package” the gospel for international distribution. While I realize that my “comfort” in hearing of your failures may be of no consolation to you, they are nonetheless just that to me.
The scripture tells us that the things in the O.T. were written for our examples. It is precisely this point that I attempt to make with my own children when I tell them that they don’t have to make the same mistakes that I made to know that those things are wrong. Thank you for telling your story, as I know it will surely serve as a beacon of light to many who will come behind you. It takes a pretty “small man” (in terms of humility) to admit that he is wrong. I appreciate your humble apologies and furthermore, I want to say that I forgive you as a fan of veggies and a parent of veggie fans as well.
C.H. Spurgeon wrote, “God helps those who cannot help themselves”. Isn’t it amazing that when we come to the end of ourselves that God is willing to take charge and show himself strong in our weaknesses.
I will straightway go out to get the book.
Forge ahead, your best days are yet to come.
d.c.
Wow! I, like many others, had NO IDEA! I’m very saddened at the news. I was just browsing iTunes and Amazon for more music and movies for my 2 and 6 year olds. I wanted more info on VeggieTales so went to Wikipedia.com. That is where I learned of this terrible news. =( BUT our loving GOD is in command and I look forward to what he has in store for you. Keep your head up! He has done amazing things for you, so far. Thank you so much for sharing your gift with us. I will continue to view and listen to VeggieTales at home. God Bless! =)
Sorry to use this word again, but wow… We have absolutely LOVED Veggie Tales since we first saw them at one of our Vacation Bible Schools (the children watched them while waiting for the program to start). We got them for our daughter about 1 and a few months at the time and as a result the first names she said were Bob and Larry! We could keep her from taking a power nap in the car on the way home by singing Veggie songs–she’d wake right up and listen! She still loves them and can’t wait for the next Veggie Tale and now she’s 10.
It’s so hard to mesh doing God’s work in the world’s business, but I think you have done something so phenomenal! You have been the only ones that were able to put out a quality kid’s show and even keep God and His values in it. That is a HUGE accomplishment. So there were some mistakes–that was a huge undertaking and I can see how it could sweep many off their feet. But the seeds have been sown and Veggie Tales are still sprouting and hopefully are bringing more and more kids to a better understanding of God and His love. I think you will see the real rewards of what you’ve done in heaven some day–the lives that were changed from hearing and seeing stories told in a way that gets a child to listen… That’s better than anything even Disney was able to do!
We LOVE you!
Marilynn, Rocky and Kaylyn Hession
Thank you, Mr. Vischer, for your honesty and frankness in sharing your story with us. My 15 month old daughter and I have only recently discovered VeggieTales and I’m very glad of it. It is a wonderful series, both in terms of entertainment and in spreading God’s message. Despite your downfalls, VeggieTales itself is still a success in that it continues to reach new viewers, such as myself and my family, and I am very grateful to you for that.
Phil,
I’m not exactly sure what your mission was when you started Big Idea, but you’ve brought Christian Values and stories to my 4 kids in Ohio. I can’t thank you enough. Even my 13 year old still watches the videos and discusses the teachings with his 3 toddler siblings.
You’ve found a way to retell old stories, explain their meanings and lessons, and you manage to make it fun. Maybe you’ve achieved what God had planned.
Mr. Vischer, I want to thank you. First, for having the courage to present the Gospel to the world and wetting the appetite of mankind in such an entertaining and palatable way. And second, for kindly sharing your amazing, and heartbreaking, story with us. This journey of the rise and fall of Big Idea is truly incredible to me. Sure, I love Veggie Tales – know all the songs and videos, love the humor and animation – even went online years ago to check the Big Idea job listings in hopes to one day work for the company. See, I’m a graphic designer, but at that time I was single. Today, I’m still a graphic designer, but am now married to a pastor. And this is where your story hits home for me.
As I began reading about your experience I was thinking, “my husband HAS to read this.†Then the more I read I thought, “I hope Mr. Vischer doesn’t feel like a failure, like my husband sometimes does.†And by the time I reached your closing remarks I thought, “Our head pastor REALLY needs to read this,†as our church (where my husband is on staff) recently bit off more than it could chew, resulting in deep debt, a strained staff, and unfortunate decisions that could’ve been avoided had we stuck to the original plan.
Like many others, I finished your story in tears.
I believe everyone who reads these pages knows your desires for Big Idea were completely pure. And there’s no question how exceptional the product is. I’m guessing it was especially difficult experiencing your dream partially, knowing its potential and value to so many. And I’m sure it was very difficult taking the blame when it’s something you love so much. Mr. Vischer, I want to COMMEND you for apologizing and taking responsibility for what happened on your watch. “Don†wrote in an earlier message: I have heard, and believe it to be true, that great leaders credit success to the team and bear responsibility for failure upon themselves. I will tell you as I’ve told my husband before, you are indeed a great leader. The staggering number of lives you’ve touched is evidence enough of that.
Thank you for sharing your “big idea†with us. If I had the money, I would buy back your company and give it to you to run. I trust your integrity and believe you’d stick with the original plan the 2nd time around. Blessings to you.
Great Life lessons thoughout your ordeal. Everything came out for God’s Glory.
The apostle Paul was harrassed, imprisoned, beaten, put on trial, stoned and left for dead, shipwrecked, and bitten by a deadly snake. He had disunity amonst the churches, people who slandered him, and recieved trouble in return for healing someone. Some in the church did not consider him an apostle, many rejected the gospel message he preached, or worse yet, warped it. Paul preached the Word of God but never even considered himself eloquent a speaker. He dreamed of travelling to Spain with the gospel, but never did because he was executed. By all worldly accounts, Paul was a catostrophic, apostolic failure.
The Word of the Lord stands forever (1Peter 1:25). Sharing God’s word is what endures; it is not silenced and it is successful even if we are not. Please keep telling the story.
My children, now 11 and 13, were listening to Veggie Tails on iTunes tonight. Like so many who have replied here, we didn’t know. Thank you for sharing your story. God bless.
From the time I saw my first Veggie Tales move with my kids, Big Ideas was already bigger than Disney in my book. You had more important things than theme parks and movies. You spoke the truth of God’s word plainly. For that alone I wish to commend you. Thank you for being a part of my kids and my life.
From the time I saw my first Veggie Tales movie with my kids, Big Ideas was already bigger than Disney in my book. You had more important things than theme parks and movies. You spoke the truth of God’s word plainly. For that alone I wish to commend you. Thank you for making Bob and Larry and the cast of Veggie Tales characters a part of my kids and my life.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HONESTY!
Dear Mr. Vischer
I am a great fan of Bob and Larry. I am sorry for what happened to your company, but I would just like to encourage you in your problems.
I remember when I was a young kid of around 6 years old, back in 1998. At that young age, I was diagnosed of having a serious case of brain cancer, a chordoma as big as a tennis ball located at the middle of my brain. My family went through really tough trials, but through it all, we trusted in God that he would save us.
During my treatment, I was sent to the United States for surgery. I stayed with my grandmother who was a strong Christian. During my stay, she taught me various things about the Bible, and showed me different kids programs that taught me more about God’s love, one of these was VeggieTales. Your show was one of God’s ways of showing His love to me during my trials. My family and I were able to stand firm in the fact that “God made me special, and He loves me very much.”
I am greatly saddened by what you are experiencing, as I have always been a very big fan of Veggie Tales, even memorizing several lyrics of your Silly Songs. But I believe that there is hope. Don’t give up, Mr. Vischer. I believe God will give you a way back. Just keep believing that God is bigger than the boogie man, and He’s watching out for you and me.
I read the entire very sad account, and then some on wiki. The only thing I find missing in your story is where you stopped and prayed….
Gees first of all i cant belive i read this all it was soo interesting…i never knew what happend and i know God will bless you i was hoping for a savior to come out of nowhere but it never happend …i know God still has everthing in control and he uses everthing for his glory..i know this was put on here along time ago what is happening with the company now…do you have anything to do with it now?
Wow. I am so sorry. It must have been awful to watch so many things go wrong and even worse to have to face those people that you unintentionally hurt. At the time this was happening, the rumors flew around my church and other groups, and when I got to college and was looking for an internship in animation, my adviser recommended Big Idea. I shook my head no…”There’s some trouble over there now–I think they’re in Europe or Canada”. My adviser was shocked. He did a bunch of research but so saddened by the news! We all were. I know Big Idea has been been really rocky for you, and I heard most of this already in your interview about your plans with Jelly Telly today on the radio, but know that as a Sunday School teacher, I’ve already seen it impact kids’ lives and faith in a big way and I believe it will continue to do so in the future. So whether you think that it was a good idea to follow that dream or not, God has used it for himself. And I appreciate the efforts and passion you and your team put into this ministry. So thank you!
I know that a LOT of people have posted, but I just wanted to add my two cents.
I want to thank you for creating something beautiful and Godly, something that my children and I will always remember and cherish. Your work added to our lives and truly brought us all closer to our Lord.
Thank you also for your honesty in your blog and for taking the time to rehash your ups and downs for folks like me that have taken your work for granted for so many years.
Thank you for opening your heart and opening my mind.
Best regards,
Scott Houston and family
Mr. Vischer,
I certainly enjoyed reading your story, and I hope to get the book when I have the opportunity. I always enjoyed the incredible sense of humor in the Veggie Tales episodes that I’ve seen. I was always reminded of a Monte Python episode as I watched, and you should be proud of the laughter that you’ve brought to so many.
I’m hesitant to offer any criticism or advice as it seems you’ve been clobbered with plenty of both, but I do want to say that I would have always loved to hear something about Christ in the cartoons. Frankly, I always thought that the episodes were written by a non-believer, because I never saw Jesus exalted. Yes, it’s very important for children to know that God loves them, but the true proof of that love is that He sent His precious Son to die on the cross for their sins.
I hope that my comment doesn’t seem too rude or presumptuous, I just feel that God will continue to use you in a special way, and I believe that you have a unique talent and ability to win many lost people to Christ.
Thank you very much for sharing your story, and may God bless you and your family.
In Christ,
Brett Duncan
as soon as veggitales came out me and my children watch them and could not get enough and i can say the same with 321 pinguins and larryboy, when i read your story i was trying not to cry and i still am. our children are now 18, 14, 11, and 5. they all enjoy veggitales and the songs and all the shows, our 18 and 14 yr olds sing along with their teen friends and our 5yr old, GOD used you to create and start something that even if you do not own it, is doing what GOD intended in the first place.
I pray that GOD will move those hearts that are angry towards you and forgive you.
i cannot say enough about you, you are a wonderful person and GOD loves you very much. and he is using you again.
i still have the letters that i got back from big idea when i wrote to them.
back when you first started.
may GOD bless you abundantly
gema and family
PS: the first present i bought my husband was a t-shirt that read
“cool as a cucumber” and larry is on it. and my husband still wears it.
We love, love, love VegiTales and will continue watching them even when our children are grown. They will not be taking them. We will keep them for our grandchildren.
It was heartwrenching to read this story and we plan to purchase your book to read the whole thing.
You have done a good work here.
You have made a wonderful difference. You have given Christian parents options! We are grateful for you, this ministry and the heart that you put into it. Thank you for showing us your “why we do what we do” . You are a blessing to us.
And God loves you very much. :), and so do we!
Riky, Amanda, Michael, Jeffrey and Jordan
Dear Phil,
I read the whole thing and by the end, I was actually almost in tears. I wish I could have flown to Dallas to be there with you during that time you were sued because I think you were misrepresented NOT by your lawyer — but by a jury that knew nothing about what you had created. I would have not just had YOU there had I been your lawyer – I would have brought in as many kids and adults as I possibly could have that were all Veggie fans to help get the point across that you were not after money – you were out to save something precious and dear to your heart. You created Bob & Larry — they didn’t — and to me they saw what an asset it was and sued you to purposley bring you down. Think about it – most likely they wanted ‘God’ taken out of your show so they could recreate Veggie Tales and make it just another ‘un-Christlike’ kid show.
Veggie Tales is being shown on Saturday mornings now BUT the opening is horrible, the ending is horrible and in between they take important things out (Silly Songs with Larry). The whole concept of Veggie Tales is to tell kids the stories of the Bible and let them know just how much God really loves them. My kids (ages 7, 8 and almost 10) are sitting here, as I write this, watching Veggie Tales. They called off school here due to the snow and the 1st thing my 8 year old did was go for the Veggie Tale tapes. We’ve been watching Veggie’s since 9:00 this morning. If that doesn’t mean anything, I don’t know what will. My kids have watched the Saturday ones and get quite upset that things are taken out and replaced (mainly the theme song and cordy at the end – what fun is cordy if cordy can’t pick on Bob — lol).
I can assure you that God has a reason and purpose for everything and sometimes we don’t know what it is. Maybe the Lord will one day bring Big Idea right back to you in a way you never dreamed? I know that may not be much comfort but God works wonders – and He takes care of those who truly love Him.
You and your family will be in my prayers.
Sincerely and forever Veggie Tale Fans,
Krista (and my family — my husband Mark and my 3 kids Brandon – almost 10; Talia – 8; Kathryn – 7)
Here are some verses I found that I thought you might want to read.
James 1:2-3
Romans 5:3
1 John 5:14-15
Ephesians 2:10
1 Peter 2:12
Philippians 2:15-16
1 Thesalonians 1:3
1 Thesalonians 5:16-18
2 Thesalonians 2:16-17
Psalm 91
1 John 2:17
1 Peter 5:6-7
Proverbs 21:21
Psalm 5:12
Psalm 34:15-20
Psalm 37:16-17
Psalm 55:22
God will never leave you!
Jamie
Phil,
I am excited for you to come and speak at Pepperdine-you have been through a difficult ordeal and I pray that the comfort and strength of God would be with you. Your BHAG may not have come to pass and perhaps many people have told you what God’s plans our for your life at this point. Take comfort in knowing that you don’t have to please people anyway-you need only turn to God.
After reading the story of Big Idea with a business and Christian eye (I want to be a Christian businessman who positively affects teh world as well), I couldn’t help but think of this passage from the Bible:
“I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.”
-Jesus, John 12:24
God can use whatever is offered up to him, be it “success” or “failure” in our eyes. Who’s to say that by trying to be a Christian Disney and failing won’t start several Christian Disneys?
God bless you, brother
PS-Veggitales helped me lead some Sunday school sessions with rowdy kids-thank you =)
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your story with us of what happened. A lot of people may wonder why God allowed this to happen. It’s simply because God is a gentleman. He gave us the freedom to make our own decisions in life. From the begining of creation he gave us the freedom to choose. He is with us in whatever we do but when we make poor decisions we also need to go through the consequences of our actions. The part that really defines us is whether or not we fail forward or fail completely and never get back up again. For the people who may be interested in getting into the industry or one similar to it your experiences will help them learn without having to suffer the same heartache. It is very encouraging that you have not given up but are continuing on with what God has called you to. I believe it took Thomas Edison around 10,000 tries to invent the light bulb. If he gave up the world would be a very different place. The videos that you have created have impacted people’s lives. Keep on going and don’t give up!
Phil,
I had no idea! We were just cruising the internet January 4th 2009 to find out just how many Veggie Tales movies there were – and which we had missed. After sharing Madame Blueberry with the neighbors (75 years old!) …they were hooked! I wanted VHS, not DVD…and after reading your account…there is more reason than just durability!
Before you go and think that you didn’t accomplish what you or God purposed for you to accomplish…remember that God’s Word does not return void…and your vegetables spread a good bit of God’s Word. Our kids are in their teens now…and we had long since let our videos go…until one Sunday in church, my husband – who will not read the Bible – said “I know this story!” I looked at him incredulously -how could he possibly know the story? He saw it and remembered it from Veggie Tales. I can’t buy them back fast enough!!!! But I will be seeking out the VHS copies…thank you very much!
They took Big Idea, and they own Bob and Larry, but God gave you the gift and the inspiration – and that cannot be taken. Move forward, Phil. Fresh mercies every morning. What does God want you to do now?
wired4film.comThank you for your transparency, Phil. As a christian filmmaker, this cautionary tale is powerfully important for me to understand as I wade deeper into the murky waters of the entertainment industry.
But it does seem to me, that what you have here is an awesome outline for a Feature Film. Live Action. Because on the one hand, it’s a tragic ending to an exciting rollercoaster ride; but on the other hand, the release and the freedom you found standing in front of the museum art gallery and afterward (in interviews I’ve heard you speak of it)….a simple return to being…Just Phil. God’s little big man.
It’d make a great movie! In part because I can see your own Characters arguing with you through the process. Anyway, I know this article is old by now, but still good. Still relevant.
cheers……………………../d
http://www.wired4film.com
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Hi Phil, Thanks for sharing your story. I’m a student at Moody Bible Institute, and I’m looking forward to hearing you at Founder’s Week ’09!
Phil:
In spite of it all, I thank you for Veggie Tales and the other productions of Big Idea. We have a tremendous collection that our youngest ones still watch and I hope we have the privilege of sharing with grandchildren someday. And by the way, we are really enjoying JellyTelly. Thanks for not hanging it up and going to work for the local WalMart. May God bless you in your walk with Him.
Dear Phil, I really enjoyed reading your account, but have to admit that I am a bit stymied by the responses over the last two years since I see your name all over new Veggie Tales stories, not to mention the Pirate movie you put out last year about this time, and a bit more overt would be Muscatine, “Home of Phil Vischer.” Since I saw you have a female VP (from the back of a bookstore flyer this last summer) and from the foreshadowing that I believe I read into your account, I am hoping that the Minnesotans won out, eventually… and the fact that Minnesota towns are used in a lot of your recent works seems to point that way, too. I even went as far as looking on a map for Moose Lake one day, while going to TN to visit my family, and saw “Hibbing” in the process, wondered if the restaurant boss’ name was from there, and thought I saw another town you have used.
(Page 2) I love your creations, your stories, and think you and your team just gets better as the years progress. My daughter’s first love was Bob, though she is just 2 1/2, so she has time to add a few more. The things I look for inside the stories are interesting, like using famous people’s names, Susan Lucci, for one, but the brilliant entertwining of a Biblical value and story line are truly a God-given talent.
(Page 3) I’m going to stop before you take the longer form of “fan” and apply it! Keep up the good work for our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. A simple story can present the greatest truths in a most piercing manner. Thank you.
We are not called for worldy success or failure but Godly obedience, which can result in worldly success or failure. From what I can read, you did not stray from Godly obedience and therefore God will be pleased with the outcome – so congratulations. Its easy to be proud in worldy success and look good to the audience but it takes a much more Christlike guy to be humble in worldly failure, but isnt that what Christ appeared to do on the earth, to the point he was humiliated on the cross – the King of King being crucified….and yet it was only through this apparent worldly failure that he secured salvation for the whole world – thank God for what he can achieve through worldly failure. Thank God and yourself for achieving what God wanted and wants – all we have to concentrate on now is the rest of the journey and the new challenges that God lays out infront of us, so that He can be glorified. I am sure one day in heaven, you will realise that you didnt get it wrong – just keep focusing on the journey God is laying out for you.
sincerely, a brother in Christ.
I heard some of your remarks at Founder’s Week on WMBI. Wish I could have heard all of them but I was delivering my mail route and could only tune in when I moved my car to the next block. I can relate to your experience only in a small way in wondering what God’s will is for me and for my family. Just when you think you know, you don’t. We’re waiting on God to steer us in the direction he wants us to go but it’s not easy. A documentary was done about my wife and me (and our daughter) and there was a lot of talk of a “made-for-tv” movie, book, motivational speaking gigs, etc. Not sure what, if anything, will happen. Not sure if I should care except for the fact that I love my wife and I want the entire world to know it and WHY. Her life was for the most part taken away from her 22 years ago by a freak accident. I’ve dedicated myself to making her world the best it can be for however many years we are together on this earth. The “noteworthy” thing that we do together only happens because I want to spend every moment I can with her. Why am I telling you (and your readers) this? Not sure that I really know. I read the entire story (and plan on getting the book) and I just sensed a shared feeling of vulnerability and I just want to tell you that I’m praying for you and that I feel that you’re doing a great service to God and Christians everywhere. Keep up the good work. Sorry I rambled so much. Our documentary is on again on Valentine’s Day and is called “Marathon Love.” It’s on Discovery Health Channel.
Wow, what a story and in true Veggie style very readable. My 22 year old son and myself have been watching Bob & Larry sense they 1st aired on the 700 Club! and he would always spend his birthday money on Veggie videos. Not only are we still fans, my handicapped children love them too and introduced Bob & Larry to Children’s Hospital in Minneapolis, When Nathan passed away in 2000 we bought two sets of tapes for them one for the Library and one for 7th floor! Bob & Larry helped us get through a very tough time and I know my 2 typical children are happier young adults because of your ministry.
It is also my delight to hear Moose Lake mentioned in silly songs and Minnesota Cuke because I grew up there and you have helped put us on the map.
Thank you and I pray God will bless you and your Family like you have bless mine
Wow. I had no idea about Big Idea! Thank you for taking the time to tell the whole story. I am so sorry about everything that happened, but I believe the verse that says, “All things work together for good to those who love God.”
My kids and I LOVE Jelly Telly!!!! LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it!!!!! It is every bit as good (if not better) than Veggie Tales, which I dearly love. (I had bought all the videos before I even had children!)
Good luck and God bless!!!!!
Dear Phil,
I heard just a small part of a radio show with you speaking today on Moody Radio. My 14 year old son was listening with me and he perked up an said, “That’s Bob the tomato!” You referred to the failure of Big Idea and I didn’t know the story so I looked for some information and was very interested in reading your story. I’m so sorry for the pain that was experienced by so many through this experience. I just wanted you to know that your efforts have brought great joy and insight into God’s word for many, many people.
My son was born in 1994 and we spent many hours happily watching and singing with all of the Veggie Tales personalities and talking about the lessons presented. ou may think that “you failed” but I think you were successful in your mission. I look forward to your new ventures. I was so blessed to hear you say that when asked recently, “where do you want to be in 5 years?” you said, “in the center of God’s will.” May God bless you as you walk in His way.
Dear Phil,
Heard an excerpt of your founders week talk on the Chris Fabry Live show.
Its interesting to look back and see how God works. You really can’t do that when it is happening. The court case shows unmistakenly how it was God’s will for Big Idea to break up. Kind of like when the Romans destoyed Herod’s Temple in 70 AD. All the christians where dipersed. All of the great people from Big Idea where dipersed. THink of all the infuence they are having for good and God in there new opportunities. It was a painfull. The Eustace illistration was wonderfull.
Trully it was “The Dark Night of the Soul” for you.
It is amazing how it has come back together as you continue to do Veggie Tales.
All the Kings Horses and the Kings men cannot put Humpty Dumpty back together again. But God can.
God Bless You,
Lou
Your creativity is inspiring, as is your call to ministry.
I still have the utmost respect for your work, and for you.
You have changed the market forever…the bar has been set high.
Kyle
Thank you so much for sharing this. I had no idea that Big Idea was no longer behind Veggie Tales. I am going to check out jellytelly. I’m so glad you are still using the amazing gift God has given you.
Veggie Tales was there at the beginning of my Christian walk. I will never forget the first video I saw. I immediately fell in love. Twelve years later my kids love the same videos!
Thank you for all the time and hard work that went into starting the company. Thank you for all your years, tears and devotion that kept it going under hardship. I’m sorry you aren’t working with Bob and Larry anymore but I really look forward to seeing where God is going to use you in the future!
April
Dear Phil, Wow, what a story. We had no idea things had changed at Big Idea. We are still working on buying all the Veggie Tales videos. We love them. Love the silly songs too. (we can even tell which ones weren’t “yours”. they are not as silly!) When I was younger, I painted. I stopped and got married and had four children. I have grown up emotionally and started painting again. I have discovered that the gift I had when I was younger is still there and it has not changed. God made me Donna and I am still Donna. God made you Phil and you are still Phil and will always be Phil. Just be the best Phil you can be and let God figure out all the rest. When I paint now, I paint what I want to and nothing else. I don’t know what will happen with my painting, but every day I draw and paint and enjoy it, even if it comes to nothing. I hope you can do what you do every day and enjoy it in all the fullness of Christ and be the best Phil you can be. I’m sure your family is proud of you no matter what you do. Thank you for sharing your story.
I really miss Bob & Larry. We don’t buy the new videos because they aren’t the same. Thanks for giving us wonderful memories, Phil. We love you.
Dear Phil,
Theses verses come to mind.
Blessings,
Heidi <
2 Corinthians 4:1-12
Therefore, since through God’s mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,”made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed. We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body. For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may be revealed in our mortal body. So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.
Wow!! As with many many others I have been watching Veggie Tales for years. All of my children have wonderful memories and still break into song from time to time. I never realized the journey you’ve traveled. How wonderful, sad, and brave.
I’m an art teacher. For the last couple years I have been teaching for about 70 home school students. I was looking for a field trip experience and remembered you were in Lombard, less than an hour away from where I teach. I was initially disappointed that we would not be able to visit your studio, but I couldn’t stop reading your story. Your are truly inspiring as an Artist, Christian and business owner. God has many things planned for you. I look forward to your next great creation. Thank you for sharing your story and for Veggie Tales! Even though my students won’t experience Big Idea’s studio, They will alway experience your gift!
Phil,
I have never heard your story until now. What an incredibly moving story.
You may remember me, as I was the creative director form the agency in Minneapolis who worked with you and Cornelius on some of your marketing efforts in the late 1990s.
I have a huge amount of respect for the commitment behind Big ideas and what they stand for.
I hope that someday your energies and talents will re-emerge.
If you should ever want to reconnect, feel free to contact me.
Just look up my name on facebook.
God bless,
Paul Asao
Phil,
Thank you for sharing this story.
I truly didn’t know that Big Idea was gone, years prior to me reading this. Although I am saddened, I know the Lord will use this for His divine purposes.
Thank you for sharing this story. I was laid off in Feb. of this year and am still currently seeking employment. This past weekend I was setting up at a hockey tournament to airbrush hats when I bent over to pick something up and herniated a disk in my low back.
I am now unemployed, disabled and in pain. It is going to be very interesting to see how God uses all of this to glorify Himself. Reading your story has given me some encouragement that even though things are bad, God is still in control.
It must have been an incredibly difficult time for you as you watched your dream come to an end. But just look at how much you’ve learned and how much God has taught you through all of this.
I began to Veggie Tales videos for my kids right around the time they were released. I believe we bought each of them as they arrived on the shelves of stores and bought the others as well (3-2-1 Penguins and a couple of the Larry Boy 2-d series. My youngest daughter, only 4 now, sings Silly Songs and loves to watch Veggie Tales. The positive impact you have had on young people (and adults like me) is astounding to think about. Remember, at the end of the day, we are all human and we all make poor decisions during our lives. What matters most is that we recognize Christ as our Lord and Savior and continue to live for His glory.
May you continue to dream big and have more “big ideas” to further the kingdom.
Thank you for helping me to see that even though things are bad, there is a light at the end of the tunnel and sometimes we need to take some time and look at the things around us, appreciating the things God has given to us through other people (like art in museums). If we are moving too fast, we will miss some of the greatest and simple pleasures of life.
Thank you for the great memories you have created for my children… and for me.
I hope HIT Entertainment goes bankrupt. They ruin classic little kid shows and turn them in to something stupid. Thomas the Tank Engine is a great example. Look how it was back in the 90’s compared to today. It is a good thing Big Idea didn’t go with HIT just for the sake of VeggieTales possibly being ruined forever!
I admire your courage for posting such an honest, frank account of what happened to Big Idea. My family and I have enjoyed your programs since the beginning and we always sit down to watch the latest release. I agree that you made mistakes along the way, but as Russ Ewell told me once at a Christian conference, “Failure is not fatal”.
I truly believe that you and Big Idea will endure many more challenges, but will rise victorious. As for me and my house, we shall always watch VeggieTales!!!
wow reading this, I now know why the Veggietales videos suddenly became parodies (although good parodies) of other media.
Hi Phil,
Thanks for sharing your gifts with the world! I really mean it. You and your cronies have given us some great laughs and imparted many important life lessons over the years. I especially liked Jonah. Occasionally my friends and I pull it out and watch the movie and the bonus features. We especially love the Larry and Mr. Lunt commentary about, well, I’m not sure – but it is funny!
As a filmmaker (only two years out of school) and a Christian I was moved by your story and reminded of the futility of attaching all my self worth to dreams that might shine brightly one moment and burn out the next. I already ordered the book and am curious to know what God has taught you about how to pursue dreams or goals for His glory.
I’m praying that God will continue to lead you in your personal experience with Him and in your work. I’ll honestly be surprised if you actually read this post but just in case I really felt I should tell you thanks for this story and all the other ones told via talking veggies!
I’ve watched Veggie Tales since I’ve been in 3rd grade and always got my friends and class to watch it (we were in a Christian school so it was allowed thankfully). I’ve noticed some changes in the recent veggie tales but even so, I still think you guys portray good media for kids these days in comparison to the many materialistic and “me-mentality” shows that are high popular with the upcoming generation. sure, there’s been some tradeoffs but i think veggie tales is still a sword through the rock and still reaches out to kids. if it’s able to reach out to a 20 year old like me that’s still crazy over veggie tales, i’m sure its messages and bob and larry and the veggie gang will and can still reach into the hearts of millions others who still love your shows. keep praying and listening to God’s calling and keep producing! Don’t give up, God is eternal and so can the messages that you give through the videos! :]
Dear Phil,
I am a huge, HUGE fan of what God has created through you, VeggieTales. I just want to say one thing to you and your family:
GOD MADE YOU SPECIAL, AND HE LOVES YOU VERY MUCH!!
May He continue to bless you all!!
Dear Mr. Vischer,
Thank you for posting your story. I bought many VeggieTales videos for my kids, and always enjoyed sitting down and watching them too. I NEVER EVER enjoyed watching Barney with them.
Please renew the dream, even if the dream has to evolve. Your productions have always been smart, funny, enjoyable, and clean. I never found that before in a Christian video.
Big Idea has always been a great idea.
Thank you.
Dear Phil,
I can’t believe I read the whole account! I have wondered for a long time what had happened to Big Idea. I do believe that you have a unique gift from the Lord and that you should use it for His glory – again. Never mind about secular business advice. Just stick with what God puts on your heart. He will make it succeed. My family loves Veggietales! Any chance of buying Bob and Larry back?
God bless, Bea
I always knew something happened to Big Idea, but never really looked into it because my kids have just recently starting watching my old VeggieTales VHS Tapes. I am not one who is enveloped in Christian media and any news about it. That is a big reason I always liked VeggieTales because it really has never fit completely in the Christian subculture and that is a good thing. VeggieTales was able to enter a lot of non-Christian homes because it was good art not just Christian art.
Anyways I see a lot of references to Walt Disney and the Christian version of Walt Disney. I am a big fan of Disney (Not the modern company, the company when Walt was alive) and the big secret about the Disney company is that although Walt’s creative vision is what made the company, the Disney company would not have made it without Roy. Reading this story, that is what you lacked. You needed a Roy Disney who would run the operations and finance the company and allow you, the Walt, to make the content that drives the company.
Any young creative Christian person needs to remember this before they would start off on some wild “Christian” Walt Disney dream. You need a Roy.
Assalamualaikum,
Hi, I am a moeslem from indonesia.
Thanks for sharing your story with us. Eventhough I ‘m not a christian, I really admire your great effort on Big Idea. You are trully a really great person….
Peace ^_^
Dear Phil,
I’m a longtime fan of yours and reading your story of Bid Idea was painful, to say the least. Yet one theme keeps going through my mind: Joseph. God had to take the boy Joseph and refine him through years of pain and suffering into the man Joseph who could successfully rule a nation. I believe you are a man who trusts God and I believe your greatest days are still ahead!
One day I hope to shake your hand and thank you in person for what you’ve done for my family and for me. If you are ever in the Seattle area, I’d love to take your family out for dinner. God Bless You!
-Peter
I am just a housewife. Nothing more and nothing less. My husband and I spent this morning reading this all over, we had no idea what had happened to Big Idea until my sister in law went to a conference in Texas where you spoke.
You worked very hard to build up a company to do what you believed God led you to. I just wanted to say THANK YOU. My son has autism Phil, something that devastates most families into divorce and other issues. He had no interest in anything for the first few years of his life. Until we found Where is God when I’m Scared. His sleeping problems, social problems, all were around the emotion of fear something that cripples an autistic child. Now years later that boy can sing God is Bigger, the first film that he imitated, that we were alright with him learning from. My husband while in college was part of a self proclaimed singing troupe called “French Dip” to which their claim to fame was taking Veggie Tale songs and changing the words to tease teachers at their Christian College or to sing at weddings.
Regardless of it’s rise and downfall, it’s claim to being the best or biggest for a little while, then dropping, loosing money, people and faith in the company; have you realized you did what God set out to? The company is out of your hands but you still have set out the stories to children all over. If people are mad it’s because they placed faith in you not God. If people are hurt it’s because they placed their emotional and family security on man not God.
It all comes down to that God. Did you do what God asked of you? Well, not always, but in the end you did realize that. Sure you can apologize for what happened, poor planning, misguided leadership, so on and so forth. When it’s over everyone answers to one, God.
The shows are out. We enjoy them, we trust them. As a Pastor and wife team we have the security that we can put on a Veggie Tale show at anytime and be able to leave the room. God is honored and shared with our children, visitors, parents. For everything there is a season.
I am thankful for the season you had with Veggie Tales. My family is thankful. My son who is just learning to speak (at five years old) still finds peace and joy in those shows run by just 20 people in a basement years ago.
That is all. Just Thank you. Thank you for all your hard work in starting a company, the hard work in maintaining it, the sacrifice in trying to save it and the willingness to step back and let it go.
Again, as a housewife I do not know the complex matters. I just know this, if God was glorified, if God was honored (and early on He was) then you are a success. All the money issues, people glory issues, big company issues, won’t matter in the end. Just how many children are being raised knowing God loves them very much is what matters. That is why you are a success. You brought God into the homes of families all over in the unlikely shape of a tomato and cucumber.
God will be faithful with what he has done. God will be faithful to the families putting trust in Him. God is.
Have a wonderful day sir. God Bless
Mr. Vischer,
I also have had an animation/cartooning dream all of my life. However, unlike you, I never had the nerve to really try.
I think that your book is the most inspiring I have read in a long time. Maybe Big Idea is no more, but you have still given the world a whole new set of characters to love, and you did it to counteract what is being show to children today through Christian faith.
I can’t think of any better reason to try to make a dream come true, no matter how long it lasts.
You have done well and continue to do so.
You rank right up there with two other men I admire, Charles Schultz and Dr. Seuss. That may sound like odd comparisons, but these two men honed their crafts the way they believed they should be done just as you have done.
Keep up the good work.
Phil Johnson
Hello Phil, My sister Peggy (BIOLA-Cinema and Media Arts Dept.) told me your story but it was good to read it for myself. Like you I have a passion for children and spent the last 12 years as a detective specializing in Crimes Against Children. All I can say is that no deed done for a child goes unnoticed by the God who loves them. Your experience was a painful one. But I have no doubt God has much more success in your future because He has given you the heart and talent to make an important impact in children’s lives. This year I attended a writer’s conference and was blown away by the course taught by Cindee Kenney. I was in awe of what it takes to write for children. God bless you brother. Diane
As I wipe away the tears…
Phil,
Thank you for making the effort to replay this painful history. I’m sorry that some of the response has been chiding – kind of indicative of never having had such a responsibility else they’d be the last to offer such a critique. But when it’s inferred that you left God’s direction, it’s hard to not get angry.
LET ME SHARE THE BIG IDEA IMPACT ON OUR LIFE:
My 4 y/o Joshua sits on my lap as we watch the “Where’s God…â€, “Dave and the Giant Pickleâ€, etc. as I did with my others (David, Mary, Caleb 16,14,12) when they were 3-10y/o (97-’03). I get to explain to him about faith, God’s love, TV monsters are just actors paid to scare, God’s protection, etc., etc.
We played VeggieTales on special nights at our church for the 125+ AWANA children’s program. You made something precious which has blessed so many lives with something far more than an entertainment alternative. You spread God’s Word and Truth in a captivating, beautiful series.
How many parent/child discussions followed the millions of viewings that clarified and expounded the points of the videos? From gossip, greed/contentedness, forgiveness, bullying, not feeling special, fear, etc. Words cannot do justice.
Thank you, Phil Vischer, and all of those who were a part of this beautiful thing we came to know as Big Idea. You’ve made a lasting change in the lives of millions. Your efforts to grow it were an obvious attempt to bring this Light to all children and it met with the inevitable resistance of the secular media and was resisted as the salt it is. God can uphold what He will – and He did for you to have done the amazing and huge thing you did. He also can leave the veil where He will. Who is to say that it would have/could have been different?
A grateful parent and admirer (& colaborer in the Great Commission),
Jack Flinsbaugh
jflins1.at.gmail.com
Mr. Vischer,
It is a testament to the impact you have made that five years after you shared your heart on this website, I am being moved by what you have written and responding. I do not believe that I am the only person today who is asking himself, “What really happened to Big Idea?” Thank you for exposing me, my children, and the world to God’s word through a bunch of silly vegetables.
Chris Reid
childrenscup.orgGreetings from Swaziland, Africa. I, like many other people who have left comments, have kids who love VeggieTales (not to mention myself!).
Thank you for sharing your story. I’m so sorry for all the ugly things you have endured. Ugh.
Over the years I have prayed for you & Lisa many, many times. A couple days ago I found myself blurting aloud, “Lord, please give Phil Vischer the courage to give birth to the new idea You have stirring in him!”
I don’t know what’s going on, but the truth portrayed in the Jonah movie rings true: He IS the God of second chances!
So, don’t be afraid! Launch out into whatever He is asking you to do! All for HIS kingdom and HIS glory!
Praying for you still,
Susan Rodgers
http://www.childrenscup.org
Hey Phil,
I found this story by accident. I then found this page by accident.
I don’t read a lot…just what I need to to get by to be quit honest. I read this whole account!! I read a story about a guy who had a big idea and ran with it. Gave birth to it and poured his love and attention into it hoping that it would one day pack it’s bag and move to Kentucky or Maine or somewhere and call up and say, “lets get together for Christmas or Easter”.
Phil, I’m so glad you and your family lived through this because it’s only just begun. Just think of the wisdom and experience you’ve gained in this dream/vision/ministry??? I’ll relate it this way. George Lucas BUILT an entire empire on a dream about and evil empire and a couple of sword swinging cavaliers. Just realize how many people were effected by his work and dream? YOU came up with a tomato and a cucumber in a spare room and changed the way we taught kids about God.
Yeah you can look back and see the dust and take that deep breath and yeah, there’s some scars that you might have from it but…….I’m that group of people that were changed just like George’s group of nerds. We are out there planning and praying and getting trained and ready to the change the world Phil!! Your that Davy Crockett we needed to clear a path through the unknown. You paid a price and we gained from it. You taught us a lesson that may now save us from the worlds view of success.
I also left Bible College without a diploma. But I spent 15 years doing something I never dreamed I would do and effected lives I never thought I would have the chance of being a part of. And now I’m on my way into something new and tonight I’ve grabbed a nugget that has changed my life.
I learned something tonight. You might have a big idea and loose it….but your dreams will never die! Whether you or someone else you’ve pass it to….that dream will go on! Because God gave it to you 😉
I’m watching you!!
Hi Phil,
I bought and read your book, and have recommended it to many others. I have resonated with so much of it, while not having built anything to the scale of which you have, yet have found myself in similar territory, so I came back to re-read what I have already read, as a reminder that God care more about us than what we set out to do for him.
I believe it was David who tried to build a place for God’s ark, and God told him no, I want to build a place for you. Isn’t that amazing? That God would love his children THAT much! Not to outshine him sending his son, we sometimes we get around a story too long, and need to see it in a new light. Much like you have done for us with Big Idea.
At any rate – I say AMEN to all the posts prior, for what you have done for our kids. And applaud you for holding on and moving forward in your walk with him rather than letting the past events paint your future.
As a total aside, coming from fellow creators, my brother and I have come up with a new brand of animals/mammals (crossbreeds if you will, for example, the “Buffalope”. The idea came from animal names like the Tigershark). We are calling them “Wildernutz”. And we have a decent story concept in the works, connecting their “identity crisis” back to ‘the Fall’.
I know you are likely buried in your new work now, but should you know of a place that might like to give this idea consideration, feel free to reply to my email I submitted.
This is not the reason for my post, but it came to me as I was writing, as this idea has sat on the shelf for a bit, while trying to make ends meat.
The Lord bless you in your Jelly, and may he shine on you and your family.
Keith Locke
Hi Phil,
Wow! Your story is incredible. As I read, I couldn’t help but wonder how you didn’t see all this coming. But, then I realized that this could have been any aspiring entrepreneur or business person in a similar situation. You made the best decision, with the information you had.
Your story stirred mixed emotions as I read it, from shock to anger to frustration. But, most importantly, it made me aware! My cousin and best friend is in a MBA program and he invited me to read your blog. I thought it would only be a page or two, but once I got started, I was hooked and I couldn’t stop reading. Your story was so interesting, I made it thu all 11 pages. Thank you so much for your honesty and sharing your story. I am sure many people, including myself, will reference your experiences as our companies grow and we are faced with business decisions.
Be Blessed!
Marc Knox
Knoxie.com
RealChristianTalk.com
Hello Mr. Vischer,
I had a veggie tales birthday party for my two year old, Sophia, this past July. I just couldn’t find party supplies like I thought i should be able to..being Veggie Tales was so big and all. I now know why..I’m deeply grievous with you over the fall of Veggie Tales..But know this, that the positive effects resulting from Veggie Tales will last forever on until eternity. I have even learned more about the Bible just by watching Veggie Tales. Good luck with all your future endeavors.
Sincerely,
Brandy
roseofsharonchurchpgh.comusa-vision.comI listended to you on Focus on the Family tonight and was moved by the scriptural reference to the woman who had it all… except a son. I reflected on my own big ideas and dreams and decided to “pant after the Lord as the deer the waterbrooks” trusting that God will bring things to pass for me. I also will trust God to put the people into my life who have the experience and knowledge that I do not have.
Thanks for sharing. Praise God for a supportive and encouraging wife who stood by you and your humble ideas that came in the middle of the night. He who findeth a wife…
Sincerely,
Carolyn
Pgh PA
http://www.roseofsharonchurchpgh.com
http://www.usa-vision.com
Action Planning 101 Inc.
I’ll be praying for you guys! I’m thankful for VeggieTales and JellyTelly. God is really good. Thanks for sharing His message of love and truth and innocent laughter with us. He will never waste a hurt.
Our family has enjoyed VeggieTales since 1997 when our daughter was born. Our son, too (born in ’98), “grew up” with VeggieTales. We sang the theme song together for several years.
My wife and I learned recently that she is pregnant with our 3rd child. I’m so glad that we’ve held on to our VeggieTales videos!
Thanks for the all the Biblical lessons taught through VeggieTales in such a fun and humorous way, not only for kids but also for adults!
Great story! Thanks for posting this.. I can only imagine how God is going to use you in the days ahead. I love the way you word stories. Even the drab stories of the financial transactions are brought to life.
If nothing else..please never stop telling stories the way you do…
You are in our thoughts and prayers as much as anybody.
P.S. My wholes family and I absolutely love veggie tales. I just hate it that I never even watched the first one until 2007.
Dear Mr. Vischer,
Most of the responses on your blog are very similar to the way I feel about it. Even so, I decided to add yet another voice, to express how deeply thankful my family will always be for the legacy you will be leaving.
Your honesty, humility and humbleness is so amazing that we know it could only come from one place, Jesus.
At the beggining of your blog, you mentioned something along the lines that you felt compelled to do something for the kids in america. Sir you have, what a magnificent accomplishment.
As a human being, a mom, with successes and failures, I admire you. And in the love of Christ we will keep you, your wonderful wife (Gen 2-18) and your family in our prayers.
Thank you again.
I just wish you can understand the importance that veggietales has for my family, it is part of our life and our ministry, my children 5,3,1, they dont know about anything else that happen to the company, and i am sure they dont care….
Dont ever thing that you are a failure… we are still ministred by you!
my husband and i are veggiefreaks too….
God bless you guys, you are still being used by Him!
i wish more people can do what you guys did and still do so our children can learn
about God in a funny but smart way!
Monica Troxel
Sorry you lost your company. Hard lessons learned indeed, and I’m sorry for the bitterness your former employees have for you. Never liked that darn purple dinosaur anyway.
That said, your work is still on video tape. Those videos will still be viewable for a long time to come. You may have lost the company, but your efforts are still out there still entertaining, still teaching the word of the Lord.
Just remember as I’m sure you do that God will keep you and will look out for your Family in famine or feast.
I hope Bob & Larry are having fun with there new foster family…..
Hey there, Phil.
Excuse the informality, but after watching Veggie Tales for years and reading your blog on these pages, I feel I know. I know for your certain that through your work you’re part of the family.
So, thanks for sharing your story, and for assuming responsibility for your part in what happened. That’s part of the role of a leader but it doesn’t mean that it was all your fault. Leaders depend on the people they lead, and unfortunately, don’t always have full control of those same folks. Sure, you made some decisions poorly, but what human doesn’t? I think you should be proud of the legacy you left with Veggie Tales and all the people those stories impacted in a positive way. You should also rejoice that God has used you, and continues to use you, to serve him.
Having made my own mistakes and enjoyed God working out a few successes through me, I can’t help but applaud all that you’ve done, your honesty, and your continued sense of humour. I pray that you keep up the great work, and that God will bless both you and your family richly.
And tomorrow I’m off to my local Christian book store to buy your book. (have to support local vendors, ya’ know)
Your Brother in Christ,
John A. Giurin.
Phil -I bought your very first video when it first came out (and all thereafter) – it reminded me of “Muppets who became believers.” You inspired me to use my heart and humor for the Lord…and countless others business people. You inspired parents to teach their children about Jesus in new and fun ways. You showed me there are other Christian leaders out there who hope and dream for a better place. I’m looking forward to your next projects…but especially the projects you’ll create upstairs. He certainly does make all things new – thank you Lord for second chances!
Mr. Vischer,
Sorry, but I’m about 2 or 3 years younger than your daughter, Shelby! Yeah i just read your book! I’m a freshman in high school, and am doing a project on your book! I feel like God wanted me to contact you after i finished it! I thoroughly enjoyed it, it was entertaining and inspiring, i could relate, being born in Iowa city, Iowa, and lived in Muscatine till i was 8. The end made me want to cry though. And i thought even though this happened a while ago that you might want some encourage meant. I’m 15, and i have VeggieTales , or Tunes on my ipod! yep! i grew up with them so, they’re apart of me, and i can still recite lines from them! You did awesome work with Mike, and your wife Lisa! So, congratulations,and Bob and Larry are still having lasting impressions in kids my age today. Everybody knows VeggieTales!
Bought the videos, the Veggie books, Christmas ornaments, plastic figures, and raised two girls on solid values and Christian understanding. We still (although 11 and 6) watch “Jonah” and “The Pirates who don’t do anything” at least once a month and the 30 minute shelf of videos some. Then I saw your book in our local Mardel’s store. I have drastically changed job descriptions throughout my life a half a dozen times and I feel God was in charge each time. I know God has and is using you greatly. You have no idea (big or little) how many people you have influenced with these products. Thanks for sharing – it sounds as if it would have been much easier throwing the towel in long ago and settling for a 9 to 5 but I thank God you didn’t! (PS We love Jr. Lisa!)
I caught a piece of a replay of Phil’s talk at Moody’s Founder’s week 2009 on the radio this morning, which got me searching for it and landing here. I knew the story and reread it here again. “Me, Myself and Bob” is the only book I have ever picked up and almost read completely cover to cover. At 2AM I decided to finish it the next (actually later that) morning, which I did. As a Christian, Veggie fan, suburban Chicago resident and self-employed entrepreneur, I had a lot to relate to. I even know the UPS driver that had the Lombard route. Funny the things that can make us feel connected. This retelling has come again at a good time. Thanks.
If you enjoyed the blog, I recommend the book.
WOW! My wife mentioned to me in passing that Big Idea was sold a while ago and I knew that memo didn’t make it to MY desk! So I went looking and came here. WOW. I had no clue!! Dude, I wondered why I stopped seeing you on the DVD “behind the scenes”. I remember hearing your testimony years ago about not having dinner one night and someone bringing you some groceries in the nick of time- thus confirming God would take care of you & pursuits.
At any rate, Phil, YOU ARE STILL HERE! And ITS BY THE GRACE OF GOD!! Can’t tell you why, but I reckon you learned a few lessons from all that drama. Not sure what’s next for you, but I encourage you to continue to press forward in your dreams. Besides, years ago you helped a bunch of college seniors finish school by giving us an outlet to laugh & sing (we fell in love the “Cheeseburger Song”) so your ministries reaches in weird and exciting ways! You’ve made us laugh, cry and appreciate GOD more through your “mistakes”, so it seems somebody knew what they were doing! Praise GOD!
Remember GOD made you special and loves you very much!! My family loves you to. Thanks for sharing!
I sat reading this as my two-year-old watched a VeggieTales video. Such a sad stoy, and yet Big Idea lives on.
Crazy! This is absolutely crazy!
These articles were written, when, 2005-2006, and there are still substantial comments being posted here.
Just like every other commenter, I had no intention of coming to this site in the first place. And, like everybody else, I had no intention of consuming two hours on a Saturday AM. But, like all the other posters, I was so touched that I had to leave a little something to express my gratitude to you, Phil. The continued participation on these pages is a testimony to the enduring legacy God forged through you.
Many others over the course of the last five years wrote about the timeliness of this read. My situation is no different. I believe God gave me a vision to create a Christian bookstore in my hometown of Idaho Falls. It’s currently online and slowly growing to the point where I’ll be able to set up shop in a physical facility.
I read this during the time I had allotted to work on the bookstore. Certainly God led me here to read this cautionary, yet inspiring tale. For I’ve been impatient about growth and wanting to skip ahead to the more exciting stuff. Well, the Good Lord probably knows I’m not ready yet and haven’t learned what I need to.
The morals I took away from the Rise and Fall Of Big Idea:
1. God’s timing is perfect. When I try to get ahead, I’ll fall flat on my face.
2. Failure isn’t final as long as God was in it.
3. Cooperating in God’s way takes the weight of the world off my shoulders.
Thank you, Phil! Thank you for implementing the Big Ideas God gave you. Thank you for Bob and Larry. Thank you for sharing your heart (even though it was five years ago!) so others could take caution and inspiration with the dreams God has given them – and me.
Now, I’ll log into my bookstore and buy your book…
Dear Mr. Vischer,
I remember first being introduced to Bob & Larry at a relative’s house as a college freshman. My first memory as I sat down to watch my first Veggie Tales Video after being told much about it – is seeing my 50+ year old uncle sing along with the title song & every silly song there after. It was, of course, the biblical truths and endearing qualities of the Veggies that I continued to watch them.
I recently had my first child and naturally I wanted to have him grow up with Bob & Larry as the cartoon characters he most identified with his childhood. I know that from the legacy you and those with you created I can do that. I agree with you about the Nickelodeon generation. I wanted more and richer for my child and I KNOW I can give him that now with the Veggie Tales, 3-2-1 Penguins & Larryboy 2D collections that remain.
Secondly, while I had heard rumors of troubles for Big Ideas nothing compared to what I read in your blog. Thank you for the courage to share these truths of your experiences while they may be painful they also serve to teach and direct others to avoid them. I know for myself and my dreams to create a ministry focused business I will keep them in mind. So Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for serving and giving faithfully. God used you and continues to use the legacy of the vision he gave you.
daveandrivers.comi have been wanting to hear your story for awhile. i heard you speak at a Youth Specialties a couple years ago and knew there were some problems. basically…thanks man for the hard work. really. keep telling stories and my family will keep listening. i started with watching the “friend” video back in the day and even used a clip in a christian band i was in (please dont take me to court) and now 10 years later, have 2 little girls, living in hungary as missionaries, and watching one of your videos almost everyday. i have laughed so many times at your hard work. i think they will be the coolest christian kids/adult media for awhile. of course i would love for it to be topped but who really is going to go through this kind of decade as you have for other people. there are so few out there and i thank you for taking the leap. God bless you and keep glorifing God and sharing the good news of Jesus as often as you can. It is something that you cannot really mess us. Share freely without the apologies. Man, if you are in Hungary let’s do lunch.
dave
ps here is that song:
http://www.daveandrivers.com/files/41.mp3
Wow. I fell off the Veggie-band wagon shortly after Jonah’s release, despite still being able to sing most of the songs with my family. I just want to thank you for all your hard work, and to thank God for your inspiring creativity. Veggie-Tales was Christian entertainment that I actually wanted to watch as kid, which is why it was so influential. It was a special part of my childhood.
Thank you also for posting this. I accidentally found and stayed up late reading it, but it gives me a lot of hope in God’s plan (which in my own personal life is a message I’ve been needing). Nothing lasts forever on earth, and Big Idea served the purpose it needed to when it needed to. You’ve made a lasting impact with a style Disney and Viacom wouldn’t be able to replicate, and that impact–as opposed to market share–is what really matters.
That’s not supposed to sound like a conclusion, though–God has use for your talents and weaknesses yet.
So sad and painful to read! i never really knew about any of that. 🙁 My boyfriend, however, has read your book several times and it is one of his very favorites.
i must say, I remember as a kid (and as a older-than-most-of-the-audience kid) thinking that veggie tales was 100% pure genius and amazingness, and I still think that. I pray that the “new” veggietales will continue to honor God.
PS. I’m sure that my own children will one day have a plenty heavy TV-diet of Veggies!!
Hello! Like many posting on here (even in 2010!) I wonder, will Phil even read this? Regardless, I wanted to share something my 9 yr old son began to memorize today:
“I Am Not Bound To Win”
I am not bound to win,
But I am bound to be true.
I am not bound to succeed,
But I am bound to live up to what light I have.
I must stand with anybody that stands right;
Stand with him while he is right,
And part with him when he goes wrong.
– Abraham Lincoln
I actually never knew that you had such an “adventure” with your dream, but many also don’t realize that Abe Lincoln “failed” more than he “succeeded”. He never gave up, as far as I know, and I’m glad you are continuing to walk in the light you have. Thanks for your story, I will pass it on. We have always loved your VeggieTale creations and continue to on the qubo channel. Now we will check out your new adventure… God Bless you and your family 🙂
I am just as much a fan of Veggie Tales as each of my ten children. Part of the brilliance of Veggie Tales is its ability to appeal to all ages. For example, I can relate to Madame Blueberry’s purchase of the air compressor, and my garage looks strangely similar to her tree house. The moral messages contained in Veggie Tales reach all generations and put smiles on our faces at the same time. The often-silly humor is never elementary, it always has depth, and it always has a good message. Most cartoons fail generate this appeal, and they often inject messages that are questionable at best.
Like most cartoons, 321 Penguins failed to appeal to most adults. Parents won’t buy DVD’s that they cannot stand to watch more than once. As for us, we will check and see if we have the entire Veggie Tales collection. It is too bad that none of the revenue from these sales will ever make it back to the creators of…
… the best cartoon series ever!
What happened to the Minnesotans who lost the auction but you said you’d mention more about them later?
Mr. Vischer;
To be honest, I had never heard of you or Veggie Tales until I heard you speak at Founders Week at Moody a couple of years ago. I actually heard it on the radio. Outside of my relationship with the Lord, and my reading of the Bible, that speech and this story have affected my life more than anything else.
You say you are a story teller, and you are. You put into words what my life has become. I too had lost a dream, but found God in the process. I now have a real relationship with Him. I am doing like Noah, I am walking with God. I don’t do it perfectly, but with God’s strength I am walking with him. I give EVERYTHING to Him every morning. And at 49 years old, I am finally at peace.
Since I am not a story teller, I am using your speech to tell it for me (I hope that’s all right). Even so people seem to have a hard time understanding how I can go through life with the only goal being in the middle of God’s will. But thats O.K., I pray they will come around, but that is up to The Holy Spirit.
I know it it not a concern of yours now, because you are walking with God and telling your stories, not worrying about the results. But I really felt the Holy Spirit urging me to let you know what God has done for me, through you.
I pray that if you ever do get discouraged, that this note, will be of some encouragement for you.
May God bless you and your family.
P.S. If you are ever in northwest Indiana (Crown Point area), let me know, I’d like to buy you lunch.
Bro. Phil,
Thank you for sharing this part of your life and dream. I commend you for your frankness and personal admissions. I have been in the wireless industry for almost 10 years and have seen companies come and go. My boss, who is not a believer, has seen significant increase in recent years from owning 1 wireless store in 2004 to having 25+ stores. In 2009 he experienced a major downturn and has sold or close most of these stores. I have felt the pain of 75% of his staff being laid off or passed on to new owners (who may or may not keep them). I was also with my boss at the lawyer’s office when he was considering bankruptcy at the beginning of this year, 2010. I have come away with this settled conviction about business, which is best summed up in the words of a more godly person (Hannah) than I in I Sam.2:6-8:
The Lord kills and makes alive;
He brings down to Sheol and raises up.
The Lord makes poor and rich;
He brings low, He also exalts.
He raises the poor from the ash heap
To make them sit with nobles,
And inherit a seat of honor;
For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s,
and He set the world on them.
Bro. Phil, the Lord is still on His throne and has ordered these events for His own pleasure and according to His inscrutable wisdom. I hope this comforts your heart. My boss has since then been able to turn the business and escape bankruptcy for now and 2010 may turn to be much better year for us, if the Lord wills.
Love in the Lamb,
Gus Lund
Kernersville, NC
Dear Phil,
I pretty sure I just did the north american premiere stage production of Jonah!!!!!
Today I read your entire story for the first time on your blog. Friday night I finished the last performance of Jonah, my stage adaption of your movie. I got permission from Big Idea to use the script & music at your advice a year ago. It was a huge hit. We did 5 performances. Big Idea had all kinds of restrictions which didn’t make sense to me but, oh well, I obedediently complied, like not being able to charge for tickets, not being able to create costumes for vegetable characters, not able to use veggie characters in promotion etc. etc etc. It was obvious my request to perform was the first one they ever got as they had to consult their lawyers, so I must have done a northamerican premiere last week!
Do yo realize the dirth of scripts for good Christian youth theatre? (adults loved the play maybe more). I deal with a lot of the major publication houses and gladly pay royalties (I think I paid $3,000 dollars for Joseph). I would love to do more Veggietales on stage and I would like to let you know that thousands upon thousands of schools in the US and Canada would love to do your scripts live on stage and pay for them. Can you help this happen? Would you consdier getting i touch with me? Is this something you have considered ever? I would love to help or be your off broadway developement theatre 🙂 Stage is obviously different from movies so certain adaptation is neccesary. I have been doing theatre in my school and community for over 30 years. I have been told that “Jonah” was the best one I ever did – people were blown away and I have brought some pretty good scripts to life. I did the Canadian premiere of “Charlotte’s Web the musical” (according to E.B.White) and also to my knowlege the first Canadian production of The Best Christmas Pageant ever”.
Please consider theatre scripts.
Thank you for your ministry. I hope you are doing well.
All the best,
Manfred
Great story, sad ending. What will be next?
Creative people HAVE to keep creating.
I’ll be watching for it. 🙂
Thank you for your honesty. I was inspired anew by each Veggie Tales creation and now I’m inspired by the candid telling of this story.
I just read this today, and I had no idea that all this had happened. My children love Veggie Tales, and I was always hoping another feature-length movie would come out, because I LOVE Jonah! Sometime I put it on just to listen to it while I’m doing housework. All I can say is that it is obvious that your mission was under spiritual attack:
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Keep seeking the Lord’s will, and perhaps He will guide you to something even bigger than Bid Idea. The children still need people like you to provide wholesome entertainment that uplifts Biblical concepts and Godly living.
God bless you!
In Christ,
Michelle
God’s dreams are just that… God’s dreams.
I love Veggie Tales, 3-2-1 Penguins, Larry-Boy, etc.
God’s dreams never die.
Be the clay, never take over as the Potter.
In all that you do, as unto the Lord, daily remind yourself by giving thanks that He gave you this talent and this ability (not that you haven’t or are not doing this now); but also realize it is His plan, take it at His pace, with His leading (there is *always* a leading, sometimes [a lot of times] you just have to get quite before His presence to get His leading), do not go beyond His leading, do not lean on your understanding or all the “qualfied” business people’s worldly knowledge.
Stay in the Word and develop your relationship and He will light your path and He will direct your path.
The question is, can you believe and stay in faith to the One who started this good work that He is also faithful to see it through?
It’s His dream, His work, let Him lead, and He will provide all that you need, including money and the right people who will rightly fit in (you will know by that leading He gives you). No leading, no dealing, even if everything looks right, God’s ways are not man’s ways.
Be the vessel for His dream to flourish, which means you need to be the clay so He can always be the Potter.
He is the God of second chances (love that song!).
You’re a great man Mr. Vischer.
Be blessed
Dear Phil Vasser,
Being one of those people who’s always ‘in the dark’ when it comes to events in life sometimes I was reading an interview you had in an Intouch magazine. I found it to be interesting which led me to stumbling upon this website, and reading this blog.
Many other people who’ve posted replies probably have said things better than I could, so I’m not really gonna say anything. ^^; For the most part I too am learning about God’s plan in my life. Grant it I’m not a high movie mogle, or an expert buisnessman. Just a normal 25 year old guy trying to get through life one day at a time. ^^;
At the moment I’m at a crossroads and often feel like a bug exposed under a magnifying glass. I’m learning that success God’s way isn’t what the world has in mind, it’s the complete opposite. xD
But swinging this away from me, I think it’s great that you’re coming up with something new, with God’s help obviously. xD lol I love to write, and what I’ve found is that God gives us characters for a reason, I have yet to find the reason for the characters He’s given me, but there was a reason for Bob and Larry. ^^
Everyone gets stuck in the mud in life, it’s those times I think that God show’s us His love even more. We stretch, grow, and sometimes break a little, during those times as well, but we come out of them in a deeper understanding of who God is and a more deeper relationship.
I think I may have made most of this post about myself, sorry about that I tend to do that sometimes. The point I was trying to say was that I was very impressed. I don’t know much about the entertainment industry, or all the sharks that lay in the water with it, after reading this and hearing how you’re coming up with a new idea really shows me that even high powerful mogles still get humbled by Christ and are then taken out of the mud.
I hope that wasn’t offensive, ^^;. This has just helped me think a little more on how I should leave everything up to God, because it’s all His anyway. ^^; lol
Hope you have a wonderful day Dude,
Daydreamtraveler
Your
storyexperience although with a reasonably sad ending, is very inspiring in a strange way. You have shown excellently, what not to do, and what to do in running a business among other things. I never knew much about Big Idea, I actually was searching around U-tube to find some thing for a little child to watch in a bid to get some more time on my work, and I found Veggie Tales, I was so Interested in the movie that when I saw the name “Phil Vischer” in the credits I decided to Google that name and here I am, I actually wanted to go out and just buy every single one of the DVDs, I might still do that. You might not have stated every detail in the blog, but regardless of what you didn’t say or what ever mistakes you might have made, “Veggie tales” is one of the few good Productions out there. If you decide to start another project, I wish you all the best you seem to be very talented, and I am sure you have learnt a lot from this experience.Peace
I am 17 years old, so yes, I’ve been watching VeggieTales before I could walk. As soon as the first episode came out, I made it a goal to see every VeggieTales episode that came out. Needless to say, I am still up to date wuth that goal. I have always been amazed by the creative prowess of VeggieTales, and hope they keep coming out, so my grandchildren can watch them. I just wanted to let you know that there are crazy fans like me that have supported you from the beginning. I’ve wanted to work with you since I was five! Anyways, to my point, I want you to know that this article made a 17 year old guy cry(and I’m not THAT much of a wimp…most of the time). I’m just sad that things like this happens to hard-working and God fearing people. I want to let you know that you are still inspiring me through your works. Please never stop believing that there are lots of people who support you. VeggieTales has been, and always will be a part of my life, and I sincerely thank you for everything you have done.
daring.biz).Thank you for this compelling account of a truly inspirational experience. My kids love your DVDs and I can’t get “Silly Songs” out of my head. I’ve almost memorized 47 Beavers! “47 is better than 2…” classic!
Although this reads like a graduate business school case study, I’m reminded of Isaiah 40:31; “Those that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. They will mount up with wings like eagles. They will run and not be weary. They will walk and not faint.”
I’ve been discouraged by sales of my Bible-based personal coaching series entitled “Fighting Life’s Fires” (see http://www.daring.biz). Like you, God laid some BHAG on my heart to help people, but the “business of business” seemingly distracts from the simple ministry. We can all take courage that Jesus is coming soon to “wipe away every tear….”
Alot people said that they have cried after reading this. I have too. I am 14 years old and have been watching VeggieTales forever. I love the shows you write! And this here that you wrote was moving. It was the most heartbreaking thing I have ever come across IN MY LIFE. I felt my heart snap in half. Luckly, I was able to find and enjoy some ice cream. I love everything you do and the ways you teach the words of God!
Mr Vischer,
Your story has hurt me, moved me, and opened my eyes in ways I hadn’t thought of. God bless you and guide you. You’ve done great things for me and my family through Veggie Tales. Where’s God When I’m Scared has been one of the biggest comforts I’ve had growing up, and I look forward to meeting you someday.
16&Learning
Dear Vischer,
I heard you on the radio 2 mornings ago via a program called “Focus on the family”. You gave a humor filled but very touching testimony about Big idea, all the events that took place and how they have changed you and your perspective. I was so touched and decided to do a Google search on you.
That’s how a found your blog.
Quite frankly, I had no idea of what Vegetales was until now.
Your blog was indeed touching and with a lot of expose on business. I have really learnt a lot.
You should be very proud, well done! You obviously have touched lives with your production. I will now look out for vegetales DVDs for my a 2year old.
God bless you and I am aware that he is using you for even greater things.
Cheers
Ivy (from Nigeria)
Phil,
This weekend, my girls and I painted a watermelon together. Not just any watermelon mind you… a perfectly Larry the Cucumber one. We posed our Larry in costumes to resemble his staring roles in Veggie Tales. Then, we took our Larry melon over to some friend’s house, who have three boys and the costumes grew more varied and hilarious. We even had a Darth Larry!
I came across your site hoping to share the joys of melon painting our cartoon heroes of faith. And instead find myself encouraging you to continue creating. Clearly, you have made an impact on my family and the lives of many young people. Don’t stop now.
I had no idea of the difficulties Big Idea has gone through. I was captured by your honesty and integrity in the details you have shared with us. Your openness shows your heart. I appreciate that very, very much. In a world where it is common to sweep problems under the rug and issue some phony rhetoric to the general public, it is refreshing to see a man of character declare the truth with emotion.
Phil, it is not a day to look back in disappointment of the failures of the past. It is a day to look forward because your best days are yet to come. PHILippians 1:6 says, “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:” He’s not finished creating through you.
Romans 11:29 tells us, “For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” God doesn’t revoke the gifts He gives. The investment is for life. It is meant to be used and developed. It is meant to bear fruit for His glory, until we hear Him say, “Well done, good and faithful servant.”
Mr. Vischer, keep on doing making a difference. Keep on impacting our children and our families with Godly “Inner-tainment.”
As a children’s pastor and a father, I share your commitment to excellence in “why we do what we do.” I want to thank you sir for imparting the truths of the Word of God to the next generation.
Troy
Thank you for your transparency. I heard you speak on Focus on the Family on the radio this afternoon, and immediately found this blog on the Internet for more information. I loved Veggie Tales as a teen, and watched them both babysitting and on my own. They brought my family a lot of joy.
I am glad for you and your family that you are no longer under such stress, and I am so thankful that you shared your story with us. It is not a happy one, but it brings glory to God. (When we are weak, He is strong.) I’m looking forward to seeing God continue to work through your efforts. Praise the Lord.
you know what, i can really appreciate your story. about the loss of dreams. i think it was almost 10 years ago my health fell apart (really bad) and i have had to let go of so many dreams i had of living a “normal life.” when i first became a christian i thought sureley it would be god’s will to heal me if i had enough faith (this what i was taught). but as i am growing in faith and learning more about god i see that his will for me has been different than what i would have chosen. because given the chance i would have chosen worldly pleasures rather than eternal ones (because i am impatient and all). i know that it is agonizing to have to give up on dreams….but i also know in heaven is really where my dreams can come true, because then i can be healthy and do fun things.
thanks for reminder a new leader of a department like me… God and His Word (the Bible) before Jim Collins ( Good to Great).. there is no comparison! God used you to tell me that!
I bumped into this site while looking to see if an ePub tool called Sigil was named after one of the characters in 3-2-1 penguines. I was shocked to hear that Big Ideas was out of business. My children, especially my oldest, grew up on Veggie Tales. I was so amazed when the Jonah movie given the fact that a kids movie, and a biblical story, could make it to the big screen. It was a great movie, and I am deeply saddened that there will be no others.
I’m probably showing my age, but Veggie Tales was to me the modern version of the “Davey and Goliath” shows I used to watch on TV as a youngster. I was so glad my kids had that modern version to watch, and hopefully learn from.
I’ve added “Me, Myself, and Bob” to my Amazon wish list – it sounds like a must-read.
So basically you took the best christian media to ever happen to kids in this secular world and destroyed it with irresponsibility and poor money management? What happens when they start using Bob and Larry to say whatever they want that isn’t christian?
Brother,
Though we’ve not met we will. My Grandson loves Larry Boy so much he goes around yelling,”I am that Hero!” God has gifted you and His gifts are without repentance. I hurt for those that had their faith shaken by this ordeal. Our brothers and sisters must look to God and not His tools to give praise. I hope you know what I mean. To God be the glory for He is Good, always!!!
Your Brother,
David
Hi Phil:
Last week I heard your interview on “Focus on the family”. I was in a state of numbness after the interview. Really felt sad. However, very thrilled that you never blamed God at any point in time and took all the blame on yourself. Very hard thing to do. Since then I was reading about you and then this account that you wrote. I pray that JellyTelly and What’s in the Bible does very, very well.
I am curious about one thing. What happens to all the revenue being currently generated from all the work you did (Veggie Tales and Jonah and others)? Anyways, God Bless You. You are a real role model Christian.
Denny
WOW! I must admit I was surprised to read what actually happened. I must admit, I originally loved Veggie Tales when it first came out, Christian values, a small company with a vision for reaching children. As time went on, I felt Veggietales was becoming a “Sellout”, more interested in money, selling Bob & Larry on everything imaginable, I was truly disappointed. However, after reading this, I can understand now why this happened, you were trying to just make ends meet and survive another day.
I am very excited about God’s calling in your life, giving you the new project JellyTelly. It was very inspirational to hear about your testimony while listening to Focus on the Family. Keeping your ministry in my Prayers.
My children loved 3-2-1 penguins (…and Kevinnnn!) My husband and I would sit right next to them and watch along. The humor was wonderful. We were saddened when production stopped. But isn’t it interesting though, that on today’s TV our children are now watching “The Penguins of Madagascar”? They remind us of your 3-2-1 penguins.
I have been involved with MOPS Int’l for over 14 years now. I will never forget the year (was it 1999???) that I attended the MOPS Convention as a MOPS leader and all the leaders were given free videos/dvds from Veggie Tales! We all felt so blessed to be given such a gift—-our children loved Veggie Tales. We felt the support of Veggie Tales in ouir decisions to walk away from lucrative careers and stay home with our kiids.
We are praying that God will bless all your future endeavors—because God is able to work in a wonderful way through you in ways that today’s families need. Keep on going….that wonderful race that has been set before you. Thanks.
Dear Phil:
Wow! I must have been living under a rock. Not until I heard a Focus on the Family broacast last week did I know what had happened. I was definitly shocked at first, but then, as I listened to your story (actually part 2 of the interview), I felt sick. Your story of success and failure is the story I am witnessing in my life right now. I just didn’t know what it really was until I heard your story. I started out with a company of one (me), and through the first five years grew and grew, though without as many zero’s as yours. After five years I had eight employees and after hiring someone to fill my shoes as I followed what I believed to be God’s calling, I moved my family (6 of us) away from our home and follow the dream to do God’s work, while opening another office. Even as I write this my stomach hurts to think that it has always been “my” dream, but not God’s, and what my family has given up for my sake. It has now been two years since the move, and I have lost all that I have. I have one employee (not counting myself) and have started from square one again. I hate it. I can honestly say that I had never looked at this as “my” dream, until your story. I will now be praying earnestly for God’s direction for my family. Thank You for all the wonderful veggietales. They continue to be an inspiration for my family. May God bless your new adventure!
I have a feeling this blog will never end….you have touched a lot of adults and children lives through VeggieTales and the world will be forever thankful. I am reading Me, Myself and Bob and I was amazed of the way God do things. You have been separated from your creation just like God was…but He had a better plan. It’s time you come up with a better plan too! I hope you are already working on it… We love Larry and Bob (we being our whole family ) since the first video, and have a good collection of the videos, even though my kids are 13 and 11 now. I loved Jonah and found myself crying at the end of the movie ’cause I felt God spoke to me that day. So, your dreams became a reality for many people; keep on dreaming!! PS. By the way, Big Idea is bigger than Disney. Disney can inspire people, but I don’t think that it has the power to transform peoples’ lives 🙂
Dear Phil,
As a former lawyer, I was so happy to read that the trial decision was overturned. I was completely flaberghasted that such a verdict could have come down when clearly there was no contract, and if there was it gave Big Idea the right to walk away. My husband and I have loved VeggieTales for years, even though our first child is not even 6 months old yet. Your dream may not have gone the way you planned, but it certainly hasn’t died. I expect our daughter to love the original set of Veggie video’s as much as we have. And those I bought on videocassette, I have gone back and purchased on DVD to make certain she will have them to watch. By the way, we also enjoyed the original 3-2-1 Penguins, and quote from “Uncle Blob” often. Keep going strong in the faith. We love you!
I AM PRAYING FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT GIVE UP. ” Youv’e gotta keep on keepen on”. God told you to do this for a REASON! DONT GIVE UP!!! you should watch Sumo of the Opera. OR Wheres God When I’m S-Scared. maybe even Abe and the Amazing Promise Or Gideon Tuba Warrior or the Balled of Little Joe. Dont give up or your gonna make kids every where cry Including me, In fact I’m getting teary eyed standing here typing this mesage. I BELIVE IN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would sugest to make a new series mabye BUT CONTINUE VEGGIETALES PLEASE DDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTT GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=(
I don’t know if you still continue to read the entries here after so many years. I just now came across this story after I started looking up some of the latest shows running on Qubo. Like many others, I was completely unaware of the fate of Big Idea, although I had wondered why it appeared that things just ground to a halt after Jonah.
At least two good things came out of all of this. First, you eventually found a buyer who would carry on the works of Big Idea and continue to promote your mission (even if they may not be driven by the same spirit that you were inspired by). Second, you and your company DID create a great body of work. My children literally cut their teeth on VeggieTales VHS cassettes, and although they are now entering their teenage years, they fondly reflect and refer to many classic VeggieTales moments as I do towards other properties like He-Man and GI Joe, or like Looney Toons for my parents, and Betty Boop for my grandparents. You have an enduring and endearing product that I am convinced will continue its charm and surpass purple dinosaurs and construction workers.
Truth be told, though, you never know if this journey is really over. You may find yourself one day back in control of the fruits of your labor. With the ways that many media conglomerates have merged, split, spun off, bought their former parent companies, and re-merged, it wouldn’t surprise me if God presented an opportunity for you to be repatriated with your animated children.
In any case, continue to seek God’s face, continue to listen for his voice, and continue to speak his good word. If not on behalf of all of us, then at least for yourself.
Dear Phil,
Thanks for the wonderful world of Bob & Larry. Multiple generations fell in love with them and will always have a smile when hearing there voices or remembering a silly song. I had heard about the lawsuit, but did not know the whole story until now. Things are not the same now…but I, for one, will remember the originals and will definitely keep the tapes and dvds for future family members. Remember the beginning clip “why we do what we do”…I thought that was awesome!! A good reminder for all of us to not neglect the next generation. God bless your continued efforts to lead children to the truth of Jesus Christ!
Mr. Visher,
I am not sure if you still look at these comments, but I really felt compelled to write to you. Like so many others my children grew up watching the Veggie Tales series. Let me start by saying thank you!
While as a parent I also enjoyed the video’s, and was very thankful for an option to show my children verses what I was raised on, it has been your book that has impacted my life.
I was not aware of the situation with your company, however when sharing my journey with a freind he stopped and said, “you need to read this book”. Having the seed planted, I rushed out to buy it and could not stop reading it until complete.
A famous quote from the movie Jerry Mcquire is “you had me at hello”, well you had me at the introduction. I too have just journeyed through the valley of loosing my company/dream of over 15 years and while I will nto get into details, the wounds are still fresh and I knew Father God wanted me to read what you had to share.
Thank you for writing your story, but most of all sharing your heart, insight, and wisdom, all gained in the steps of the journey. Thank you for sharing the steps as I was able to empathise with each point of hurt, fear, dissapointment, loneliness and confusion. Thank you for sharing the points of faith from “God were are you, to God I now see where you were”. You quoted people like C.S Lewis, Henry Blackaby and others, well let me share that based on what you have written, I have been and will be quoting you to my freinds and collegues.
Please allow my to share a thought……have you considred releasing a book/sequel comprised of just the last 4 chapters? When sharing the book at length with others I realised they were not into all the details of the business ups and downs, but the depth of last 4 chapters has strength to stand alone and is a message needed even more today.
I share a saying with a close frend, “learn the lessons, recieve the blessings”. Thank you for sharing your journey and the lesson’s. I pray you are walking in the blessings and favor of keeping the main thing, the main thing…… being His son.
David
It was a wild ride Cowboy! Yup, you got thrown. No broken bones and you are still a’kicken! Now, that you have brushed yourself off, it’s time to cinch down that saddle and”PonyUp” cause God’s work is not finished. I mean, that is what you were trying to do? The work that God had inspired and trained you to do? I’m not much of a philosopher but I do believe that God given talent to make a difference in millions of peoples lives, which is by no means a small, easy task, was not a talent meant to be wasted away because a “for profit venture” failed. Most businesses eventually do fail. Yet the need to share God’s love and compassionate service to and for mankind has never been more desperately needed than it is today! You . . . can . . . Do It! I know you can.
By the way. Thank you for telling this touching story, it was eloquently written. I see why people would support you and your Big Idea. I do. It is no easy task to drop everything and become a “fisher of men.” There are those who are “called” and those who are “trained.” Just because one is called does not mean he or she is trained and still yet, because one is called does not mean they will answer.
In the end you must do your very best where you can, when you can and how you can and leave the results to God.
your brother in Christ,
MaxJason
I really should be doing my math hw right now but instead I finally looked all this up. Stumbling across this, I found this very helpful why the newer videos seem to have lost their sparkle like they once did for me. The stories and the songs are still fun, but something was missing. I am not a christian, I tried once, wasn’t for me, but I did come to love Veggies tales with its values which I do respect . I really enjoyed both Phil’s and Mikes christmas glee when ever they did a little dvd click menu when talking about their love for their faith, family, co-workers, friends, and of course Bob & Larry. When listening to the commentary on Jonas with them was awesome (same when it was Bob& Larry) , in my mind I’m imaging them modern day Monty (Python) Boys but with faith.
Even knowing that the company is being run by others, I still go and either buy (or stream on netflixs) those new movies. Since discovering the Awe someness of Veggies my Jr. in High school(99) and being almost 30 (gulp!) I don’t think I will ever get tried of watching Veggies Tales because is have been a part of my life for so long.
When I finished reading all 11 pages, I had such a clearer pictures of what I wanted to write before I found out I had to first register and then wait to get an odd password. Reading all it , I really felt I wanted to type something up and I never bother with register on these sites because of the loops and hoops. But now I have lost my focus in the mist of email checking. So to get to some point, I am glad you kept your values and your faith even when it looked bleak.
Thank you for making me still wonder how they (veggie universe) hold things and learning bible stories I would of never know. Also Thank you for sharing this, with your hopes, dreams , tears, fears and your future because you are human like the rest of us.
Cool article. I’m glad I took the time to read it today.
So I have just finished reading “Me, Myself & Bob” – which is the really expanded version of this and so much more at the end. Thank you for writing the book, I really needed to hear the spiritual journey stuff at the end. As someone who is constantly looking out for how to ‘do’ better, or ‘do’ what I should, I have always struggled with the concept of ‘just being me’ and that’s enough with God. I was in tears as I read some paragraphs over and over, willing my soul to accept that. So I am on my own journey, and being a new mum has really kick started that as suddenly you are in this bizzare world of loosing yourself and being love unconditionally at the same time. I think God really uses kids to teach us stuff sometimes!
I am so pleased that you are now doing JellyTelly, and are walking in that awesome, abundant relationship with God as well as using your creative talent. My husband and I were early fans of Veggietales (even before having kids) and enjoy them all, both old and new – everything grows and changes, and I think that it really reflects the journey that you and Big Idea have been on. Through it all the purpose has been maintained and now we have a toddler who loves them too and we are pleased that they are helping to instill a love of God and His word in her little heart.
We’re excited about the new projects that are happening and I’ll keep watching for when they arrive here in NZ, but I think mostly I just wanted to say THANK YOU for the book – it has encouraged me to step up and face my wilderness place, in the hope that I can finally know what it is to truly walk with God.
I read this and cried at a numorous ammount of times. I really liked the old Veggies and I felt sad that this is how the new VeggieTales are so terrible. I loved the extra Bigidea programs too. (LarryBoy 2D and 3-2-1 Penguins) I hope that you can still follow up on your dream to change the world though.
Wow! I had no idea! This made me LOL and cry…gonna have to find the book now 🙂 God bless ya Phil Vischer!!!! You have more than blessed me and my family!
I appreciated your honesty, and willingness to be both intro & retro spective
Seems parallel to an airplane crash in the sense that… it’s typically not one item that brought the whole thing down, but a series of seemingly isolated miss-steps or overlooks in a certain sequence that “mouse-trapped” it (like the game).
As a business owner, it has given me a lot to think about and teaches me to be aware of success, management, vision, direction and leadership at every level, and to be consistent at every level;
and that a dream, is shared, it’s Gods dream, maybe for me not to take ownership of it, and respect who it really belongs to, as well as …
since it’s God’s dream, its a shared and perhaps … public?… for lack of a better word, dream, and once they connect into it, is a part of their lives as well…
just as Jim Collins Built to Last book’s “dream” became part of your own?
perhaps we’re all more connected it seems than we know.
Just as Jonahs life turned a new chapter post-whale, it will for you too
Thank you for the lessons
Blessings in your future adventures
OK – so I’m a little late to the party here. I’ve worked for Phil (on Jonah as a lighter). I’ve worked for Steve Oedekerk (on Barnyard). I’ve worked for Blue Sky Studios and for Mr. JK at Dreamworks. PHIL is by FAR the best boss ever!!!! After 8 feature films, the only one you’ll find framed and on the wall in my house is my Jonah poster, signed by Phil and all the wonderful people who worked on that film. It’s a long story Phil – maybe I’ll email it to ya – but just two days ago a friend of mine who I’ve witnessed to for many years at Dreamworks, asked “Dave, what was that Christian company you spoke so fondly of? I’d like to go work for them.” This came from a guy whose worked on 15 feature films – God has gotten ahold of him, and he wants to work on good Christian films now.
Phil – BIP was a great experience for me – and is something God is still using to this very day – 2/24/13 – to impact others. I praise the Lord for you and Mike and the crew – (and my good buddy Tom Danen). What am I up to now? After getting my dream job at Dreamworks, I left it all and headed to seminary at tms.edu. God is so very good.
May we praise the good and wonderful name of the Lord. May we thank God for all the sweat and tears Phil, Mike and their families poured into so many!
Hey Dave!
I really enjoyed your positive comment to Phil! Sometimes “stuff” happens that will cause some to get better, and others to get bitter. From your comment, it appears that you are one who got better from the experience!
Dear Phil,
While the story you wrote has a tragic ending to a dream, I want you to ponder this. How much good in spreading God’s word to so many families have you provided? In a country where shooting hitting and gossiping are rampant in children’s video’s, you offered a wise and biblical story to so many families who needed that.
I commend you for your efforts and remember that God made you special and he loves you very much
I just finished reading the book, it is a GREAT read and wonderful story. My 14 year old son who grew up on VeggieTales is now reading it and absolutely thinks ‘What’s in the bible” is the funniest stuff. All the best Phil!
I learned soooooo much just by reading this. I really appreciate your honesty and bravery and thank you for this article. And I think most people don’t understand the pressure and sheer size of constant daily stress you have to go through to run a company and that the only way you become a better boss is by going through all these things. I’m sure you did the best you could at the time you were doing it, so I have no doubt in my mind you are that much a better manager now. Thank you again and I hope the next studio you make will be a winner. I’m sure you’ll be an excellent leader the next time around.
At least Big Idea is back up again!
I was looking for permission to make custom veggies tales pinatas for my cake customers ans fell upon this blog…. I am deeply moved by the trials veggie tales and big idea went through. My year old son just had a veggie tales birthday party due to his obsession with bob and Larry. Which inspired me to get more information about the characters and the business that created them. I pray that you continue teaching our future leaders ,kids, about God. 🙂
Well, I’m very late to this party. My family and I were and are huge fans of Veggie Tales. We discovered them shortly before the 2nd video was released and bought a copy of every one until my youngest went off the college 5 years ago. We’ve given many as gifts over the years. I have some of the silly songs on my own playlists, and have even quoted things like “He can’t even whistle” in conversations (which is really great when people get it).
I recently bought a few videos for my young grandchildren, and was looking into what you’ve produced in recent years (just saw a video of Kilts and Stilts online – fantastic!). I’d heard that the company had been sold years ago, but noticed that the videos kept coming. I had never found out what happened – until now.
Thank you for sharing the story. Your work has not merely touched the lives of millions, but touched them significantly, and enriched them in many ways. The business side of the story is just sad; not just for you but for the people who were hurt along the way. People who have never met you care about this, though, and it is gracious of you to provide the explanations that you have. I can’t judge the right or wrong of any point in the story, but I have been and continue to be thankful for Bob, Larry, and all the gang.
Mr. Vischer, God made you special and he loves you very much. I sure do miss all those guffaws (“When do I hafta share? Why would I hafta share? Whatever happened to Sonny and Cher?”) Remember, God can work out all things for good. He has a plan for you.
I heard you speak today. I had no idea you were going to share about the death of a dream and how God wants us to be HIS more than doing or being for Him. God, thankfully, had in mind for me to hear it. Right now our family is going through the death of a dream. We have seen this same dream die before, then thought God was giving it back to us. We traded a lot to have the dream, thinking this was “the time” for it. But in just a matter of weeks, we have watched what we thought was God’s fulfillment of our dream, crumple, fall apart and now eat away at us. Its so hard. Its hard to feel the utter disappointment of the loss of what you think God has prepared for you. I know our disappointment is small compared to the very public and painful experience you had. But I do see the fact that God plus anything is just GOD. And God plus nothing is just GOD. We mourn what we feel God taking away from us, but it was good to be reminded that even without what we thought God had given us… we still have everything. We have God. He is more than enough and He is teaching us that, again, in a whole new way. Thank you for your honesty. Thank you for sharing your pain and your difficulty. Christianity is walking in a pain filled world with a savior who is making everything new. I can see Him doing that for you and I know (even though I can’t feel it) that He is doing that for us too. With appreciation and prayers as we live through a dying dream.
Wow! I had no idea…I do have a question…what ever happened with the group from Minnesota? And, I just want you to know all 3 of my kids have watched Veggietales, my oldest is 18, my middle son is 10 and my youngest is 3 1/2! In fact, My youngest REALLY wants the Pirate Ship and I have been trying in vain to find it on e-bay…no luck! Also, we take Veggietales movies “on the go” to Taekwondo where there are toddlers who I’m pretty sure aren’t exposed to any religion, so it is my little way to witness to these little impressionable minds!! Shhhh don’t tell anybody! 😉 God bless you and your talents, he has “BIG” plans for you!!! M Colleen in CA.
So many lessons learned. You could run a business again and do it so much better because of all you’ve experienced.
Thank you for sharing….. on so many levels!
I heard you on Focus on the Family talking about Christmas and one of the hosts mentioned something about you not being with VeggieTales and so decided to read your story. Wow. We will always have you to thank for Bob and Larry. And my favorite, Junior Asparagus 🙂
Looking forward to seeing what God has for you in the future!
I thought when I first saw your work that you were going to change the world. You were going to bring God’s message to people in a format that everyone could understand. You were going to make God accessible, using the media of today. Well you did that. You and your silly vegetables changed lives.
You’re not done. Stop whining. Start dreaming again. Your vision is vital. The product today can’t match the sincerity and honesty that it had with you at the helm.
God must be talking to you. Are you listening? What’s next? Video games? Apps? You can do this.
Even though the company went through a rise and fall and no longer makes veggie tales. I thank God you had the opportunity to make the ones you did.
I have a very active little boy who does not watch TV regardless of the program you put on with the exception if veggie tales. I thank God that I have something that can teach him about the Bible and moral lessons at
his level.
I am proud that you stood by your conviction and did not allow them to remove GOD from the videos. We need more people like that in our current times.
** My son’s favorite in Jonah!!!
God bless!!!!
Hi Phil,
What a story! My oldest child, now 15, loved Veggie Tales; it was a part of our lives through her early childhood. For whatever it’s worth, our favorite was the Larry Boy “2D” series. She loved the characters, and we both loved the humor. Other favorites that we still watch today were “The Toy That Saved Christmas,” the “Silly Songs with Larry” shorts, and “Where’s God When I’m Scared?” So sorry to hear what happened to the company. When did Big Idea Productions actually stop making the videos? What was Big Idea’s last video (under Big Idea Productions)? I assume there are new individuals doing the voices for the characters, as well.
Snoodle’s Tale was the final “old Big Idea” video, I believe. Not positive though. I still do voices – as well as Mike, who has been with the new company all these years.
Whew! Didn’t think I’d ever get through that one. 3 days of just reading this blog almost nonstop!
U have left a great legacy n impact n I thank u for taking up ur cross to do GODs work on the younger generation… My generation. My father is a great man and loves GOD. He gave me the best environment to find a true relationship w/ GOD. Vegeitales was like the biggest part of that environment and I’ve watched it since b4 I can even remember.
I would never watch any other cartoon or even play w/ my toys in place of vegetales. I rewatched at leAs 35 episodes 50 times. Of course as a youth searching for meaning I left wit true lily mattered n bcame a prodigal to GOD yet Vegeitales was still a common activity in my life. Through the constant example of my dad ur videos n the works of many pastors I listened to in spare time seeds were sowed n they sprouted in me, leading me back to Christ barely saving me from a life I know I would’ve regretted. I thank u so much in ur huge part in saving me n I am saddened by the tragedies of ur life. I pray for GODs will to b done in u n that u will rise again w/ a great zeal for The Lord. I’m 14 now( still watching VT) n I’ve seen such a corruption in 2days society n young generation. Even secular movies used to have more moral n learning standerds and children today seem to believe that they r the first to think that fame, wealth , friends n lust will actually fullfill the needs of their heart. Revival is needed n GOD has prepared the fields for harvest. I pray that u will receive passion n permission from the LORD to work again in children’s ministry to hopefully save them as I have been saved. However GODs will not mine b done. U have really taught me that through ur blog n I have learned so any other things about the life serving GOD. Hope u still read these posts n that I will hear more from u.
GOD BLESS T_T
My kids andnd I love VTs ?.. I had heard a rumor about VT and I have been looking for the truth ever sense ….thanks for informing us….. myb children (very young at the time ) had seen larry and bob in person we went to church to watch the movie about the old west I don’t remember the naof it that … sry… anyway they got the your autographes and the white cowboy hats…. we have been big fans my oldest is now 9 and he is autistic …. we still watch the dvds that we had been able to get (lack of funds stopped us from supporting your vidos ). Kinda my fault u went bankrupt b/c I could not afford to buy them like I wanted to…. I know you take the responsibilty of that and younare forever in our hearts and in my home …. GOD bless you and keep you as you can see you have thousands of people right behind you … if God is willing for you to do this again we are here to suport you. You were great and down to earth during and I still see that now when I read this ….. I always wanted to know y VT was gone and no longer seeing on the big screen or in the stores and they disaperd off of qubo too so sad but, God will have something bigger for you…. H never closes a door without opening another door or window…. keep your head up and you eyes on God … remember all we need is a musterd seed full of faith…. God bless you
Wow what an inspirational story. Thank you very much for the valuable lessons. You have gotten stronger from this experience and I hope that I will be able to do the same as I go through the same things in my life and business. This story reminds me of the say “good intentions is not always the best intentions.” No matter what God is still with you and has been with you through all the struggles. God bless you and your family.
Thank you for posting this, and I will be getting that book. This is a lesson to be learned and I am grateful for your honesty. Frankly I would rather learn from someone’s mistakes then their version of how they succeeded. Those so called success stories often turn out to be more fiction than reality. LOL, The Hollywood version. Many of us across this nation have had the same sort of personal failures and lessons to learn. Your story, sadly is a rather common one here in the good ol ‘USA. I am a huge Veggie Tales fan and I will always be one of your ambassador’s that shares the fun with all I can. Thanks to you my kids do know the Bible well! I pray you feel God’s love and grace everyday as you continue on with the plans He has for you. You are a great man, even when you don’t think so!
What a story. VeggieTales was wonderful, looking back – highly entertaining stuff for kids. I still have many lines memorized (Who’s gonna name their kid ‘Hubert’??), and at one point I could recite several films from theme song to Bible verse. My little sister at one point watched “King George and the Ducky” every day.
The cartoon version of LarryBoy (LarryBoy and the Angry Eyebrows) was terrific. By it’s quality you would have never guessed that Big Idea was having any kind of problems.
Also, the bigideafun.com website had so many phenomenal games on it: Beaker Bop, Flight Over Bumblyburg, Jonah’s Breakout, the “Pie War” game, the “Jericho Slushee” game, Space Penguins, Larry’s Wild Water Ride (that one is still available over at Veggietales.com), and the list goes on. I visited the Big Idea Fun site a few years ago and was dismayed to see that these great games no longer existed. Now I know why.
My tiny cubicle at Big Idea was a mere twenty feet away from Phil’s office.
I couldn’t believe my good fortune as to get a job with a company as exciting, family oriented and just plain fun to work for as Big Idea. Artists drew cartoons on the walls of the stairwells. Desks were decorated with stuffed Bob and Larry toys, purple and lime green walls hung with Larryboy posters. The entire company took the afternoon off to go see Star Wars: Attack of the Clones when it was released. We trekked to the food court every day for Panda Express or Great Steak sandwiches. All-company meetings were held in the movie theater across the mall parking lot. The company store was stocked with every conceivable Bob and Larry item you could ever want to purchase as a gift. The excitement of producing a honest-to-goodness movie was something I’d never dreamed I would experience.
Not all of the memories were good. Staff members crowded in a hastily-assembled prayer group the morning of 9/11. Standing behind Phil as we watched the towers fall via CNN’s on-line feed. The tension of waiting for the execs to return from meetings with the bank, distributors and lawyers. All-company meetings where Phil’s eyes glistened with tears and his voice broke with emotion, knowing that when we returned to the office, not all of us were going to make it. Learning that our wrap party had been cancelled because the money simply wasn’t there. Vendors calling, wanting to know when the check was coming and trying to find acceptable reasons for the delay. Holding our breath and checking Box Office Mojo every fifteen minutes to see how Jonah was doing at the box office. Thrilled that it did so unexpectedly well, crushed to learn that it wasn’t enough.
I survived the first two layoffs but did not make it through the one that occurred on April 14, 2003. I’ll never forget that day because I stayed home for my son’s birthday, and my manager called me at home to give me the news that I would need to clean out my desk the next day; I was being let go.
As I read Phil’s account and learn the history of what happened before I joined the Big Idea crew (I was part of the hiring glut that contributed to some of the problems) as well as the behind-the-scenes happenings during the decline, so much of what I experienced in the trenches begins to make sense. I feel such a blind rage that a heartless corporation like HIT could win in court, such sadness that something so good had to end so badly.
But I will always remember my time at Big Idea with great happiness. It was truly the best working experience of my life.
I dedicated a lot of time learning to do the voices of most of your characters to amuse my children (I do a respectable Larry, but Mr. Nezzer and Mr. Lunt are my best). I raised them on on a stable diet of vegetables from Big Idea. I even once dreamed I could go to Chicago and lend a voice to my kids’ veggie heroes one day. Now I am a Youth Pastor and the lessons of Bob and Larry still ring true the Monday morning after I watched my little one graduate high school. We bought her a VHS of “Where is God when I’m S-s-cared” and couldn’t wait for each new release. I feel a kinship through Christ with you and Mike and I mean to pray for you and yours. My wife and I recently experienced a financial setback that was nowhere near the millions you saw disappear, but to us it was a fearful, discouraging event. Since then I have been watching God teach us how to trust Him and look for His provision and He has shown us what is important. God is not a God of dirty tricks. He knows what He is doing and what’s best for Phil Vischer. Read the words of Jeremiah 29:12-14 and be comforted because this I know: God made you special, and he loves you very much. Num. 6:24-26
I read Me, Myself, and Bob before reading this blog. I was reminded of the whole story after reading this. To this day, Veggie Tales is still a very big part of my home. And I absolutely admire you taking the blame for the fall of Big Idea. That is an example of a true man, and a true man of God.
And then many of the best Veggie Tales came out after all this happened. I’m sorry for the growing pains but grateful that such awesome Veggie Tales came out of all this.
Today is 08/14/14. I was just watching Buck Denver with my 3 yr old daughter, when I thought I would Google the question of what happened to Big Idea. Wow. Thanks Phil for taking the time to explain all this in such detail.
I know this all must hurt, but I hope you remember that you helped create Bob & Larry, and many parents and kids have been blessed by them. And there soon be a new Heaven and a new Earth, and everything in the here and now will be no more; all except us who love Him and strive to serve Him. In all this, that’s what I see.
Wow. I had no idea all of this was happening. Of course I was like 4 when it came out. I loved the movie, and all the veggie tales videos I’ve seen. I’m so sad to see what happened. Though, reading about what happened and what you’ve learned has taught me a lot, as well. It takes a lot of courage to say everything you just said. May God bless you for all that you’ve taught me and the stories you’ve brought to life in my home, and for your honesty.
Wow! This is an amazing story! My kids grew up on Veggie Tales and I had wondered what had happened to Big Idea Productions. Now I know. Life’s lessons are sometimes hard, but whatever happens to us, it does not thwart God’s purpose for our lives. God bless you, Phil Vischer! He is not done with you, yet! May he who began a good work in you complete it until the day of Jesus Christ!
I would never want to pile on. I’m also aware of the fact that I’m very late to the party. I am wondering, though, if what I noticed while reading this is simply a result of the storytelling style in which it is written, or a sign of something bigger.
That something I noticed is that I didn’t see the word “pray” until somewhere around part 8. Maybe the obvious response to this is, “Well of course I prayed all the time, genius,” but I’m wondering if maybe it isn’t.
We seem to have similar approaches to life. That is, take one day at a time; figure things out as you go along; don’t let yourself get super stressed over minute details. Do you, like me, take a similar approach to prayer? I often find myself praying for other people, but I find it difficult to pray for/about myself, or my “larger” decisions, as I try to not MAKE those larger decisions at all, preferring to handle them one at a time as small decisions. I also struggle with the thought that I, and my decisions, are less important than others, and to pray about them is to somehow show doubt in what I believe God has shown me.
Maybe I’m way off. I hope I am. If I’m not, I hope, through this entire experience, you’ve grown in the area of prayer. I say that with absolute respect and acknowledgement of my own failure and need in the same area. The Holy Spirit speaks a different language than we do, and we need to speak with Him frequently if we are to stand a chance at learning it and being able to clearly hear and comprehend God’s leading. If we fail to learn it, we doom ourselves to endless second-guessing (“Is that YOU saying that, God, or is that ME?”) and cut ourselves off from a source of wisdom to which we, as Christians, have unique access.
I don’t know if you, or anyone else, will ever read this. It helped me to write it!
Hello. I pretty much wondered that too; if prayer, fasting, and Scripture played main roles in all this story, how would the outcome have been? Mr. Vischer was created by The Lord, who gave him creativity and inspired what became Big Idea’s Veggie Tales, making him the Administrator, nothing more. The Creator (The Lord) knows how to run His businessess pretty well. I don’t think He wanted Big Idea to go through all this. Period. It seems there was a combination between the flesh and attacks from the devil; the demise of Big Idea was just a matter of time. The Lord’s businessess aren’t of this world, therefore, management comes from above. Appart from Him, we are doomed.
Phil,
I planned to skim the pages but ended up reading it all! I couldn’t imagine everything that happened to Big Idea! I am glad you wrote it out here and in your book, this shows character. God has his ways and knows what’s best, this path that was taken must have been to show you the weaknesses and to make you a stronger person. He needs you for bigger missions for him. I am glad you apologized to others that were effected but they to should relook at themselves. Christians are suppose to forgive others as well and not hold a grudge…..are they even thinking about that themselves? Either way I still think highly of you and my kids as well…..60% of our DVDs are veggie tales….we have a lot of DVDs since we don’t subscribe to cable tv. May God bless you on your next journeys and remember he has a plan for us all! 🙂
We started our two-year-old on the Veggie Tales tonight. She absolutely loves them. Thank you for having the dream, chasing the dream and being so open and honest so that all of us can learn from it. Your dream is still affecting the lives of children worldwide.
Phil,
I’m not sure why I was thinking about veggie tales and your story shortly after waking up this morning. I read this story before. No matter how things went with big idea. GOD used you to reach a whole generation of Christian kids. Veggie Tales may have changed their life, if even in the smallest way. I think that is pretty cool. To God be the glory.
-Chris.
Thanks, Phil.
And for the record, we the rabid fans forgive you. Grace and peace to you and your family. Keep walking the path that God puts in front of you. Just remember to look up more than you look forward.
Brother Phil;
It saddens me that your ministry was closed down because even as a 67 year old senior citizen I find the few VeggieTales, 3-2-1-Penguins! videos to be inspirational and remind me that our Lord and Savior taught as you did with parables.
For this reason I will hold on to and cherish them for my Grandchildren and pass then on to then (along with a vhs and dvd/blueray player.
I pray the Lord will find a new ministry for you and bless it to His glory.
Yours in His service,
Budd Cochran
If you had come down from the mountain, and even considered hiring me, then I would have told you all of this was going to happen to your company….but my resume was tossed aside into the waste bin by you or one of your hiring cronies…oh how smug you looked back then…karma.
Thank you for sharing, Phil. I hope that you continue to use your creativity and humor to share faith in God. And I also hope you are making some money off sales from VT (not just the distributors). Your steadfast faith through your dilemmas inspires me to hold fast to faith. God bless you and be kind – especially to yourself.
I came here to read this because I (usually) check out beforehand the things my daughter watches, and she’s taking a liking to Veggie Tales. After reading five more episodes were coming out I decided to see beforehand what’s wrong with them, relative to what the Bible teaches. Sort of like looking for a bruise or bad spot on an otherwise bad apple. While subsequently reading your story (I’ve only very, very recently become acquainted with this something called, “Veggie Tales.”), two things God tells us in the Bible came to mind–one through Paul and one through God’s first son, Jesus. 1) “Do not peddle the word of God; 2) “You received free, give free.” This inspired guidance, by way of two very persons God used, hopefully helps you going forward in your life.
Excuse me, after re-reading my post above, I noticed I misspoke. The analogy was supposed to read, “Sort of looking for a bruise or bad spot on an otherwise good apple.” My apology. As you are probably aware at this point in your life, the tongue (and typing fingers) aren’t always tamed, in our imperfect state. (Letter of James) My apologies, again. It would have read much better for you had I written it correctly, the same way I thought of it in my mind. Have a good day, and remember the guidance we received about mixing profit and spiritual things.
Thank you for that painful, yet terribly exciting insight into the rise and fall of a company! I can’t imagine being responsible for so many people and their jobs. It very hard to forge ahead and not be afraid to fail, or should I say be afraid to fail and still try. I have to say that I admire that determination and you did succeed in many respects. Thank you for sharing your experiences, so enlightening. Good luck in your future endeavors.
Phil, thank you for taking the time to write about this. It was like reading a condensed journal. We watched Jonah over Christmas break 2014 and wondered about the difference in animation and story quality between old and new VT. Why is the opening song different? The tuba part has been modified from what we had on VHS and the song is missing the second set of lyrics (cauliflower, sweet and sour, half an hour..).
Our son is unsure about what to pursue in college. He wanted to major in music performance. We’ve encouraged him to at least minor in business or finance because those skills would be marketable in the music business when so many talented musicians are blind-sided or taken advantage of when all they really have a passion for is their art. Your story is a lesson. It underscores the need to have even a 101 course in business and we’ve used it as a launching point for deeper discussions and consideration.
And thank you for having the courage to apologize. I hope you are able to reconcile with your brothers and sisters from BIP.
Phil, I just heard you speak at Moody,s Founder’s Week and had to find out more about what happened to you. Timing is everything and our Lord knows the end from the beginning so His timing is just right. I won’t bore you with details–but in past 36 months I’ve had open heart surgery, felt abandoned, car died, battling foreclosure pro se for that entire period, but still feel carried by our Lord as I seek His wisdom in trying to continue the fight or let it go. Took copious notes this AM listeningto your message. Thanks for the many gems — I am seeking Christ’s energy as you quoted Paul in Colossians 1:29. I understand your initial goal in wanting to serve God and save the world — but missing what He desired for you as in joy peace etc. Looking forward to sharing your creations with my grandson in CA and maybe its taking losing everything here in IIl to get me out to CA. Blessings and Prayers Risin’, MJ
R in park with a little gazebo. Seems so long ago!
Mr. Phil,
I am really sad to hear this. I am 12 years old. My little brothers and sisters (ages 1, 2, and 6) watch veggietales everyday. At first it was annoying but a few years ago i found myself captivated by how one video pertained to my situation. I dont think its annoying anymore, actually quite amusing, and think the commentaries are pretty funny. I will be praying for you. And remember:
“God made you special!-” “-And he loves you very much!”
One of the best comments ever. The Lord bless you too sweetie! U r for sure very special! ?
Hi Phil, my name is James, firstly I would like to tell you the profound impact that Veggietales (Specifically the Jonah movie) has had on me personally. Like many I recently found myself estranged from God due to sin. I am a father of a wonderful 4 year old son who loves Veggietales, and one day while watching the movie. God used the it to speak to me and my family. Shortly after the first viewing (as a single viewing is never enough for any 4 yr old :-)). I found myself seeking God once again. Its ironic that a story I have heard more times than I can remember throughout my life and now retold via certain named Veggies would speak to an adult so profoundly. I am very humbled by Gods grace and forgiveness for my sin and separation, and eternally greatful to him for his Grace and Mercy. I find myself recently seeking to find how God may use the talents he has given me for his purposes. Since one of my “talents”, seems to be character voices I thought I would research on how to get in touch with “Big Idea” to see if I might be able to volunteer my talents to help further your ministry. Until now I had no idea what had happened and I am truly sorry. After reading your posts I am saddened to hear that any of this has happened, and thankful that God has used this as an opportunity to draw you closer.
I felt the need to respond to tell you that despite all the negative that came from the attempt. God is still using your work to speak to his children, and I am very thankful that you are still seeking him and how best to serve him. God Bless you for your efforts, successes and even failures.
Please continue in your efforts as there are many that still need to know his word if not re-hear it 🙂
For His glory..
-James
Phil,
I have to first stop and say that I appreciate the fact that you showed the world your heart and soul of your dream. It takes a strong person to show not only their strengths, but to also show their weaknesses.
My family is strongly rooted in VeggieTales and Big Idea. We are extremely saddened to see it gone. But our hope and prayer is that God will use this to lead others to Him. He does all things well.
I am positive that even after all of this time that you are heartbroken. Please know that we are pulling for you. Your work inspired many and you continue to inspire.
You may never personally get this message. It would be really cool to know if you do but I want you to know that I look up to you and pray for you. It would be an honor to maybe one day meet you in person. But for now, may God bless you and your family.
A Living Legacy,
Bryan
Your story has encouraged me greatly today! God is faithful to complete the work He began in us!
I have this really really great idea for a story about a prophet the children I believe will really love this character! This sounds crazy . Its was all inspired from my son, and God pushed it even further and told me what I should write about! I felt that I was suppose to come to you with this idea.
God bless you! Serving God is a real trip for all of us. We are all just human. Hang tough and who knows what God still has in mind.
Thank you for your openness. I pray that you will find another way to create and share God’s word. Vegy Tales remain a favorite in my preschool classroom.
I have always been a supporter of “The Big Idea” concept of providing truly amazing Family Friendly God Centered lessons for life. I had collected all of the original DVD’s that were offered for sale, and sent them to a Family member for her daughters to appreciate as I did. I am now going to attempt to purchase all of the Original “Big Idea” DVD’s, but only have one question (Does the “Big Idea” have any input on DVD’s released since the sale)? I know that there are a lot of BIG Business Executives that wanted an Honest startup Christian fail, and that is just downright Ungodly. I remember the words from Jesus Christ “Ye Reap What You Sow”, another not scripture saying “What Goes Around Comes Around”. The Word of God also states “Take no thought of tomorrow , for even the birds of the air”.
I respect and admire your humility and honesty with yourself through all of this. I have enjoyed VeggieTales for many years now..it’s pretty much all we watch with our kids. This story was super inspiring and completely devastating. Thank God that we have a Savior who is our Advocate to cover our sins and failings. God was and is still glorified through your story. Thank you for letting us all walk briefly with you through your journey. I do hope to see what’s to come in your life.
In Christ,
Shaun DeWitt
I am so thankful I found this today when I googled “what happened to VeggieTales?” My children and I were so confused with the changes in the Netflix VeggieTales. I have to tell you that when I decided to accept and follow Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior in 2001 I decided to live by the motto “As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” And I was immediately introduced to VeggieTales videos. Thank you for being there when I tried to teach my son about Jesus, alongside learning about Him myself. Your videos made it fun to learn the truths found in the Bible and much easier to understand. I absolutely LOVE the humor that is easily seen through Bob and Larry’s interactions. I totally understand mistakes being made, especially when you are in the money hungry, do anything for a dollar, industry that is Hollywood. Please use this time to draw closer to God (so you can remember how to hear His voice through the busyness), enjoy your family (who you probably weren’t able to fully enjoy them as the blessings they are), and then please get back out and make some more hilarious children videos. The world needs your flavor of God Fearing, Jesus Loving, Spirit Filled cartoons that only you can do. Be blessed!
Big Idea may be Ishmael, but What’s in the Bible seems to be your Isaac. One was provided for by the Lord and the other has served to bring glory to His Kingdom. Thank you for sharing your story vulnerably, humbly and with a dash of humor in the voice of “Bob”.
Phil,
First of all, being a ’92 baby I, like many others, grew up with Bob, Larry, and the rest of the Veggies. Though I am now 22, Veggie Tales still holds a special place in my heart, and I look forward to introducing the whole Veggie gang to my kids someday.
Around the time 3-2-1 Penguins came out, I immediately noticed something was off. I silently wondered why the veggies weren’t acting themselves, much like you can tell a dear friend is struggling with something even though they haven’t said a word to you about it. Little did I know, Big Idea was struggling to stay afloat.
This morning I stumbled upon Madam Blueberry, and with my curiosity sparked afresh, I searched Google for an explanation. It was high time I found out what had happened to my childhood friends. As I sipped my coffee and read all 11 posts in one sitting, my heart went out to you. Ten years later, I’m sure there are stubborn scars that still haven’t been erased, relationships that were never mended. I know many fans have probably written to encourage you in your failures, but perhaps sometimes you still look back and think, “If I had just done x….maybe Big Idea would still be what it used to be.” But I want to remind you, it’s not ever what we DO that matters, it’s who we are in Christ. Our identity isn’t in any business venture or dream. And when the plans we make turn out to be vanity, as Ecclesiastes says all of life is, we have to remember that no experience–no matter how painful–is a waste to God. Songwriter Jason Gray puts it well:
It’s from the deepest wounds
That beauty finds a place to bloom
And you will see before the end
That every broken piece is
Gathered in the heart of Jesus
And what’s lost will be found again
Nothing is wasted
Nothing is wasted
In the hands of our Redeemer
Nothing is wasted
So just a reminder, you’re still a sinner saved by grace, Phil. You made mistakes, you STILL make mistakes, but remember that because of Christ, you DID make impact on the lives of countless children and adults. Sure, our successes give God glory, but so do our failures. Don’t fall into the cycle of thinking if you try harder “this time” that perhaps things will be better. You serve the same God. He’s always been just as powerful as He is today. And it’s in His perfection and success that you stand. If things go better “this time,” it’s because you’re leaning more on His power and not your own. Daily lay the weight of succeeding/failing at the foot of the Cross.
Hope all is well with you. Perhaps one day we can meet. Until then… thanks for being vulnerable. It’s powerful.
Your sister in Christ,
Rebekah Barnett
It’s sad that it had to happen that way but God had something else in mind. I know that the show was great before all this happened. Now, not so much. And as for the movie Jonah, it’s an awesome movie and I wish there were more.
I am surprised and touched by your moving story. As someone who has struggled with a close loved one with extreme health issues, and has recently experienced a major breakthrough with certain medicines, I could relate to your description of going uphill pulling a heavy weight and finally being told to stop.
When we first saw Veggie Tales with our two children, they couldn’t understand why I, in the middle of my previously stated struggle, became emotional at the end of every episode. I knew God had made me special, but I certainly didn’t “feel” it, as I felt the struggles our family faced would never end this side of Heaven. Now, a year later, God is actually using my previous struggles to minister to others. I am flabbergasted. If someone had told me a year ago, that I would be hosting a family (not sure if they are believers), on the fly for dinner, (five minutes notice), and showing the “Lone Stranger” to the kids so the mom and I could visit, I would have laughed in their face. It just goes to show how God can use anything, the rise and fall of a company, to the extremely challenging health issues of a loved one, to minister to others. Through your story, you’ve ministered to me and countless others!
By the way, my daughter, 8, has been picking VeggieTales as her “show” for the day lately. My three-year-old son has had me sing the entire VeggieTales theme song for bed each night, complete with the “boom boom” tuba part at the beginning. He wants to dress as a cowboy for the Halloween festival at church, because of the “Lone Stranger.” However, the most hilarious, yet irksome thing about Veggie Tales for me, is that, if the theme song comes on and I am on the phone, I have to go in a different room to talk, because he needs it to be super quiet so he can do this elaborate dance, while Bob and Larry are singing. ??? Pretty Funny! Thank you for your incredible ministry!
We are among your many loyal fans from your original episodes. Thank you for the gift you gave us by creating VeggieTales. Thank you for bringing characters like Larry-Boy to life. He IS that hero. (“Tell me what to do! I don’t know what to do!” “Hey, I need those!”) You have given our family, and many others, such wonderful memories of snuggling up with our kids and watching cartoons that reinforce family values while making us laugh. Your videos are a very rich part of the fabric of their childhood, and we have deep appreciation for you, Mike Nawrocki, Kurt Heinecke, and all the other talented staff at Big Idea Productions, Inc. Thank you also for the gift you gave us by sharing your story with us. We are joining with the millions of people whose lives you have touched who wish you the very best.
I believe it’s admirable what you tried to accomplish. My daughter grew up with Veggie Tales. Thank you for your efforts to combat mainstream entertainment and provide a wholesome alternative.
Thanks Phil. I read the entire blog and isn’t it funny that God will often allow our failures and fears to bring about a demise that may have been fore ordained. Godspeed and long live VeggieTales!
Hi Phil,
We have been fond of your videos for years, and now my grandkids are hooked!
I believe that God allows His Christian artists to undergo very difficult times because…music and drama can comfort and uplift the human heart. Christian music can help mend broken hearts. But the artists have to know how it feels on the bottom, in order to help lift others up.
I suggest that you produce a series of videos (if you still are able to do any production) based on Jane Austen novels….I am not suggesting what creative type of characters you would use….but these would appeal to your first audience, who are now mature. There is a large following of Austen’s work, and the lessons of her novels still ring true in today’s culture.
it is obvious because the song sounds different and the voices a little different…. sad. my kids grew up with Bob and Larry and we were looking forward to my grandkids as well… seems very diffferent in the spirit .
Throughout the reading of this account, I’ve been as mesmerized at the journey as I could ever be. Will definitely buy book. Thanks for providing the recounting of it in such fine detail.
Even though this was sad, I enjoyed hearing this story…as a teenager in the 90’s my friends and I enjoyed Veggie Tales probably more than the little kids! The humor, the message, the goofiness, the creativity was amazing. Now I get to see my 2-yr old enjoy them and ask for Veggie Tales daily! Thank you for sharing and also for being faithful with the dream the way you knew how at the time, as it impacted so many and still does, despite the pain you and many others went through. God bless you and your family.
You all did a wonderful thing in creating VeggieTales. It was great while it lasted and you should be proud of yourself! My little girl is learning bible stories and morality in a fun way through the original Veggies. We dont buy the new releases, the christian values are watered down and the stories are overcomplicated and weird. I consider the real Bob and Larry to be retired to a countertop in Florida somewhere and cherish my collection of original videos. I loved them as a kid and now my daughter is loving them like I did.
Thank you!!
My daughter is sleeping with her stuffed Bob and Larry characters right now. We often pretend they spring to life to pray or read the Bible with her.
Every ministry has its downfalls. That doesn’t make Big Idea any less great than it truly is. Thank you for investing in me and in my children. You changed the world, every single one of you involved.
Dear Phil
This is an honest and humbling account by a man who has poured himself out to the max. However, I think you are misleading yourself some. Many businesses come and go, they launch a product, an idea, or a package, it hits or misses a mark, for many reasons they fold and collapse. Generally, those at the helm fall into two categories – those who vent their spleens or run for the hills blaming everyone and anyone – and those who – as you have done – accept the blame for the whole affair.
I believe this is incorrect and you do yourself a humble injustice. Let me explain;
You took a dream, a vision given to you – not of building a media empire ala Disney, but the one sentence you have used the most throughout this long write-up – that of finding a way to tell great bible stories in a great way to kids. This I believe is the vision you managed to get into the folks who worked for you – consider their testimonies (never work as hard for a manager again…. why did you work so hard in the first place?) – They soaked up that dream because you inspired it, because it was real, because you lived it – because it mattered.
This is the true mark of leadership – carrying a vision and encouraging others to carry it with you. True leadership inspires and breathes life into its vision long after the apparatus of its birthing is dust.
Three things occur to me:
1) you employed people with business pedigrees because you recognised a weakness in your own capacity there – perfect practice. Pedigrees often don’t tell of the failures – but even the best business exec’s fail as much as the worst – check out Richard Branson – bankrupt several times before Virgin worked. So many factors can affect how this thing will fly or stall. But – and I think this is where you are incorrect to blame yourself so harshly – career exec’s have to be aware of the potential failings. One guy who did so – and hats off to him – the fellah who came into the meeting and despite the negative news had to declare “we aren’t going to make our mark”. Can we reasonably doubt that others on the board were unaware? You hired professionals who accept risk as a part of business, but are expected to evaluate the risk against a knowledge of fail or fly (Go or no go in project planning) point-breaks – and in this case clearly did not.
2) You honoured your vision, great people took a great idea and made it live, though really it only truly came alive when the kids who watched your films began making their own Veggietales stories in their own homes, churches and schools; and I believe that they not only did – but that they do still. Sometimes a business or organisation crashes, but they payload of its product catches the public and lives on – and grows. More people know now about Larry and Bob than ever did in what you would call your heyday – they glory days when the millions coming in outstripped the million or so going out. Valid God-graced ideas take on a life of their own, they continue to reach and expand far beyond the bounds that we initially expect and define. Kids get inspired and tell their friends; someone buys a video once -and has a ‘cinema party’ and a dozen kids get inspired. You sold one copy, not so good for business, but you inspired massively beyond that.
3) My son has watched Larry and Bob since he was little. The only other thing initially he would want to watch on TV ( we didn’t as a rule chuck much of it at him – and can you wonder ) – was the Clangers or Button Moon – interestingly not Christian, but without harm or danger and with good moral stories. Veggietales took him completely. He was blessed by having two parents both committed and practising Christians, he attends a Christian school and our church invests in kids ministry. But whilst his peers were learning about live from a TV diet of Ben 10 and similar stuff – he was learning solid Bible stories and narrative from a couple of humble, heart-warming, entertaining and faith-filled veggies called Larry and Bob.
The characters work – because your faith and vision work, they will outlast you and the rest of us – because that vision is God-breathed and entirely in line with the great commission.
Thanks for your humble nature Phil, but thanks even more for taking a risk, daring a dream, inspiring thousands, reaching millions and breathing a gospel into our children, – and certain adults with child-like hearts.
God bless
Thanks, Steve. Much appreciated!
Dear Phil
this is an honest and humbling account by a man who has poured himself out to the max. However, I think you are misleading yourself some. Many businesses come and go, they launch a product, an idea, or a package, it hits or misses a mark, for many reasons they fold and collapse. Generally, those at the helm fall into two categories – those who vent their spleens or run for the hills blaming everyone and anyone – and those who – as you have done – accept the blame for the whole affair.
I believe this is incorrec and you do yourself a humble injustice. Let me explain;
You took a dream, a vision given to you – not of building a media empire ala Disney, but the one sentence you have used the most throughout this long writeup – that of finding a way to tell great bible stories in a great way to kids. This I believe is the vision you managed to get into the folks who worked for you – consider their testimonies (never work as hard for a manager again…. why did you work so hard in the first place?) – they soaked up that dream because you inspired it, because it was real, because you lived it – because it mattered.
This is the true mark of leadership – carrying a vision and encouraging others to carry it with you. True leadership inspires and breathes life into its vision long after the aparatus of its birthing is dust.
Three things occur to me:
1) you employed people with business pedigrees because you recognised a weakness in your own capacity there – perfect practice. Pedigrees often don’t tell of the failures – but even the best business exec’s fail as much as the worst – check out Richard Branson – bankrupt several times before Virgin worked. So many factors can affect how this thing will fly or stall. But – and I think this is where you are incorrec to blame yourself so harshly – career exec’s have to be aware of the potential failings. One guy who did so – and hats off to him – the fellah who came into the meeting and despite the negative news had to declare “we aren’t going to make our mark”. Can we reasonably doubt that others on the board were unaware?
2) You honoured your vision, great people took a great idea and made it live, though really it only truly came alive when the kids who watched your films began making their own veggietales stories in their own homes, churches and schools; and I believe that they not only did – but that they do still. Sometimes a business or organisation crashes, but they payload of its product catches the public and lives on – and grows. More people know now about Larry and Bob than ever did in what you would call your heyday – they glory days when the millions coming in outstripped the million or so going out. Valid God-graced ideas take on a life of their own, they continue to reach and expand far beyond the bounds that we initially expect and define. Kids get inspired and tell their friends; someone buys a video once -and has a ‘cinema party’ and a dozen kids get inspired. You sold one copy, not so good for business, but you inspired massively beyond that.
3) My son has watched Larry and Bob since he was little. The only other thing initially he would want to watch on TV ( we didn’t as a rule chuck much of it at him – and can you wonder ) – was the Clangers or Button Moon – interestingly not Christian, but without harm or danger and with good moral stories. Veggietales took him completely. He was blessed by having two parents both committed and practising Christians, he attends a Christian school and our church invests in kids ministry. But whilst his peers were learning about live from a TV diet of Ben 10 and similar stuff – he was learning solid Bible stories and narrative from a couple of humble, heart-warming, entertaining and faith-filled veggies called Larry and Bob.
The characters work – because your faith and vision work, they will outlast you and the rest of us – because that vision is God-breathed and entirely in line with the great commission.
Thanks for your humble nature Phil, but thanks even more for taking a risk, daring a dream, inspiring thousands, reaching millions and breathing a gospel into our children, – and certain adults with child-like hearts.
God bless
I’m surprised by how many comments you have affirming, essentially, that the downfall of Big Idea was your fault. There were SO many cogs in the Big Idea wheel. Had anyone else been in your position, the outcome likely would have been the same. Based on your growth at that point, I can see why expanding the company seemed like a good, even necessary, idea. This was before businesses were zeroing in on the idea of doing one thing and doing it really, really well (Apple, Chipotle, Chick-fil-A). This was era of Walmart Supercenters jam-packed with optometry offices, hair salons, and cheap groceries. This was the era of Christian alternatives, with Plus One subbing for ‘N Sync, Brio subbing for Seventeen, and, yes, VeggieTales subbing for Disney.
I think it’s very possible that Jonah, 3-2-1 Penguins, et al., would’ve succeeded in 1996. By 2002, when Jonah was released, that evangelical Christian-alternative subculture bubble was about to be popped. (I think in many places it already had.)
I really hate it when anonymous people on the internet give me advice, but I did want to say: keep creating. There are still so many people in this world who need your ideas — big or small.
Thanks, Heather!
I’m very late to the party, but who knows? Maybe it’ll be fun. (:
I was born in ’96, to parents who were from Chicago and very involved in the Christian circuit there – so, absolutely invested in VeggieTales. It became a bit of a lifeboat as we moved and hit a lot of difficult struggles, and even now, as I face difficult adult decisions, it still draws our family closer. It isn’t out of the ordinary for us to have a Silly Sing-along a work or at home when times get difficult. When times get super hard and anything adult-related overwhelms us, we pop in Jonah (which I remember in theaters, goodness!) and sing along with our favorite characters.
I’m so grateful, even though it seems to have been quite a toll and might possibly still be, that you worked as you did. I feel that it has equipped me in a way that I can have good memories and Jesus when I’m too broken or nervous to go directly to God right away. Sometimes, that bridge really helps me to sustain my faith. Though I can’t convey too much about my family or our situation, VeggieTales has been one of the biggest blessings and supports. Thank you for your work. <3
You’re welcome! Thanks, Sara!
Wow. Thank you for sharing this. This ministered to me on so many levels.
You’re welcome, Benjamin!
Phil
Super super late, but the heck with it.
I had no idea what had happened to Big Idea, and reading through all 10 posts made me nearly weep. It’s hard when a business fails. It’s even tougher when you see the ship going down and you still want to fight to save it. Thank you for sharing.
I am not a Christian (raised as one though), but I do share the general belief that people should be “nice to each other” as LarryBoy puts it. LarryBoy (and other cartoons of the 90s-early 2000s) is actually what inspired me to follow the path of law enforcement, and VeggieTales taught me to stand up for what I believe in, even if I stand alone. I haven’t forgotten those lessons, even at the age of 30. I actually still have the Jonah DVD (bought through YouTube) and watch it whenever I am having a bad day. I loved it, and still do.
You should know that your studio had big impacts, even on those who don’t share the same beliefs. I hope that you are doing well.
Thanks for sharing. Even if it’s late there will still be people discovering this website.
Perhaps this story should become a movie, Phil.
This story was heartbreaking, seeing a well – loved CHRISTIAN children show {I still love it as much as my kids though!} falling apart. We have a library of veggie tale shows, which we still love and watch. It is hard to imagine such good quality programs have such a sad ending!
Phil, thanks for sharing this story. For years I have been a fan of Veggietales, but I never understood the true story of what happened until very recently. For a long time, I took from your example from the early days. I had a dream that I would be the next Christian John Lasseter who would revolutionize the Christian world with my incredible movie ideas, but this story about the rise and fall of my model company helped me understand that when I want to do something for the glory of God, I should remember, the thing I am doing is for Him, not my own selfish desires. It helped me remember 1 Corinthians 10:31; “Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.” Also it helped me remember Proverbs 3:5-6; “Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknoledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.” God may not have saved your first company, but he did bring you a new one, Jelly Telly. Hearing about it, I am thrilled that you have a new Christian company to work on. It made me think about Romans 8:28; “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” Thanks for teaching such an important lesson in life, and I pray that you would have more years of more inspiring stories such as this one.
P.S. Nice Podcast episode about Technology and Video Games
Wow… I guess it truly is the end of an era. I may be young, just a mere almost-17 year old living in Florida, but for as long as I can remember, I have always, always loved Veggietales. Not the veggietales that’s on Netflix nowadays, but the real OG Veggietales. Like Madame Blueberry, Dave and the Giant Pickle, and Larry Boy. OH man who can forget Larry Boy? I may have been late to the scene being born like a year before Jonah even came out, but trust me when I say that this show was a huge influence on my life. I carried the VHS tapes everywhere I went and watched them whenever I had a chance and trust me, I had whole collections come and go through the years. Even though it went away Phil, I just want to thank you. You combined television and christian media in a way that astounded many people, present company included. You may feel like it didn’t end the way you wanted, but trust me when I say that it did. If your original, true mission was simply to spread God’s word in an entertaining way to God’s children, you definitely accomplished that. It pains me to hear about what truly happened to the company so many years after it happened and why Veggietales sort of disappeared, but I’m glad I found out for some closure. Thanks for posting this as it solved many unanswered questions, but thank you even more for even creating Veggietales in the first place. It didn’t just touch my heart; it touched all of ours. And just remember, God made you special, and He loves you very much! Goodbye!
There may be noticeably a bundle to know about this. I assume you made certain good points in options also.
And I thought I’d had a rough time over the last ten years trying to publish a children’s book! A traditional publisher kept me hanging for years, not honoring several contracts, never finding a suitable illustrator. Finally I parted ways, realizing that (1) I should illustrate the book myself and (2) I should be willing to invest not only time and talent and prayer and fasting, but finances. God led me this year to a publisher close by who was quite reasonable, and to others who encouraged along the way. After ten years, I’m finally able to share a story that I truly believe in. It’s all very new, having a website and trying my hand at marketing, asking bookstores to carry the book. Where Big Idea dealt with millions of dollars, I’ve got less than a shoestring budget. Maybe the little plastic tip on the end of a shoestring. But God works through the “big ideas” and the small ones. Phil, you graciously answered a written interview for me back when “The Wittenburg Door” (another big idea that is on hiatus) was around, and I appreciated that so much. I appreciate your talent and determination and all the Veggie Tales my children and grandchildren have enjoyed. I appreciate your honesty, and letting God use you in ways you never anticipated. One thing I’ve learned is that “big names” don’t necessarily remember that they were once folks like I am, just trying to get a story out to as many people as possible because it’s a great story, not to make a lot of money. Grace and peace to you and yours.
Well, At least we have what’s in the Bible with buck Denver.
Phil,
The content that you help create touched my life at a very early age. I was sad to read everything that happened.
My first toy that I can remember was the Larry with the multiple costumes to put on him. I was also a big fan of Larryboy 2D.
I don’t know why this has all happened but I hope it all works out in the end.
I’ve recently seen veggietales on Netflix and despite being sad at the new look. I enjoyed it once I watched it again.
I wish the best for you and the Big Idea crew.
I remember you signing my tablet cover at a church event when you were showing what’s in the bible.
You seemed a little solemn when asked about veggietales.
I will pray for you.
***hugs***
Though I’ve not experienced this situation. I can look back on times when I made choices believing God would do something miraculous. I’ve had dire times when I was sure He was going to solve everything, perhaps at the last minute for His glory or mission. It is quite a shock when He doesn’t. (Yes, He is good, loving, wise, never wastes a hurt etc… Still a shock to say the least)
I was pondering Veggie Tales and stumbled upon this post.
Thank you for sharing this story, Phil.
Our family quotes Veggie Tales regularly and look forward to passing on the quotes and the movies to future generations.
Thanks for the veggies!
-Kristin
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