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You mentioned an article by Kate shellnut on the livestream, I tried to find it on Christianity today but I couldn’t. Could you please send me the link
I was wrong! It wasn’t from CT. Here’s the links.
Man … I still don’t get it. Here’s my question for you guys – would you have had this discussion if Hillary Clinton had won the nomination? You say that Christians (and I did not vote for Donald Trump) who voted for him are associating with “ugliness”. Fine. But let me ask another question – did Christians who voted for Hillary Clinton associate themselves with “ugliness”. And if the answer is “yes”, then why are you not talking about that as well? She won the popular vote, so surely there are many, many Christians who voted for her … which to me translates into just as big of a problem as the Christians who voted for Donald Trump.
Love the shows … make me laugh, make me think and I look forward to listening each week.
God bless and Godspeed!
Keith
I’d say that the world in general, and non-Christians and minorities in particular, don’t associate Clinton with the ugliness of racism, sexism and xenophobia. But I also know many Christians who believe this year the only acceptable vote was “none of the above.” The issue is credibility, though. If we’re all about love, but we’re now associated with a candidate who – rightly or wrongly – is associated with uncivility and hate (again, rightly or wrongly), we’ve got a problem to address with out neighbors. That’s my point, anyway.
Hope that helps.
Thanks Phil. I’ll make this my last comment : ) .
I get what you’re saying, but here’s the issue for me – a Christian may not have thought of Mrs. Clinton as being as ugly in racism, sexism, and xenophobia. With that, I totally agree. In fact, I would say that she is quite the “beauty” in comparison to Donald Trump, if those issues were the only points of comparison. The issues you bring up were the exact reasons, along with pride and greed, that I would have never voted for him … but there are other issues to consider.
For me personally, I would never (and I don’t care if they were perfect in all other categories) vote for a president that in anyway supported abortion. I could not cast my lot with that person. What about the war issue and America’s bloodthirsty Empire building? These are issues that Mrs. Clinton has proven herself to be “very ugly”.
I wrote an additional comment on your original Facebook post, apologizing for my reaction to your comments. I needed to pull back (and still do somewhat) and understand where you were coming from, but my initial thought still stands, “Man, he is being so one-sided on this whole thing.”
Personally, I think you all would have needed to do posts and a show or two if Hillary Clinton had become the President. As I said in the original post, there are a lot of Christians (and I know that you are singling out the white evangelical voters) who voted for Hillary Clinton … look at the statistics for non-white, non-evangelicals. Don’t those who voted for Clinton need to explain themselves to countries we are now bombing or to woman who now loathe themselves because of a past abortion … which was made much easier to accomplish because of the views and votes and policies of those who govern us?
As mentioned, I would never have voted for either candidate. You said that you and many others voted “none of the above”. For that I commend you and am in agreement, but your posts and the show that I watched last night make it sound more like this … “I’m a None-of-the-Above voter, certainly a Never-Trump voter, but well I guess it would be OK if Hillary-Clinton-Won sort of voter.”
For many brothers and sisters, they saw the ugliness of Hillary Clinton as being greater than the ugliness of Donald Trump. And I think that is why you saw such a huge reaction. And by the way, I have been listening for years and am not one of the people who was a friend of a listener.
God bless to you, Skye, and Christian. Thanks for the shows and I look forward to all the future ones. You all are truly a great help in my walk with the Lord.
Godspeed!
Keith
Thanks Keith! I agree that many Christians used “lesser of two evils” logic and I think that is understandable. (I explained that position recently on an atheist podcast.) My point, though, is that the “center” and the “left” don’t see anything particularly horrifying about Hillary Clinton, as opposed to their impression of Trump’s language towards women and immigrants. So while the “right” says, “Of course Hillary was a terrible candidate,” most of the rest of the world doesn’t see it, and can only see white Christians in America abandoning a reasonable – though flawed – candidate to embrace a man they see as a racist xenophobe who has admitted to serial sexual assault. And that affects the witness of the American church.
Tough podcast. I’ve been trying to find the positive in the election results in regards to half of my distraught friends and family. You know, this whole odd, world-tipping event is producing some amazing dialogue and reflection. Suddenly, people of faith are mainlining the pain of the “marginalized” who would never darken a church door. Interesting. Some people I know who are not people of faith are seeking the higher aspirations of agape, unity and concern for the outcast. I see it happening, and I am quietly entering the water.
BTW I live in Europe and I have to attempt to explain this election to nearly everyone I know. Whew!
I have thoroughly enjoyed the Podcast since I found it a few months ago (and Phil’s work in general) till I ran in to the brick wall of this episode . . . I have come to expect and appreciate the unique (and even snarky) point of view put forth on the show. I was not ready for the unvarnished condescension for those of us that, after careful consideration, felt it was the proper choice to vote for Mr. Trump . . . and the complete disbelief that thoughtful Christians could do such a thing . . . I could take up a bunch of space in putting forth my reasons, but if anyone is interested, I think that Eric Metaxas did a fine job of explaining the reasons on his Show (The Eric Metaxas Show, 11/7, 1st 10 mins of the 2nd hour).
Hi Phil Vischer (and team),
I just found your podcasts after years of watching and loving veggie tales and “Whats in the Bible” for myself. My wife and I have held you to a very high value.
I came across this podcast, because I heard your most recent podcast about “Black Lives Matter”, and I wanted to know your opinion about the 2016 Election, so I sought to find this podcast out.
Since its been almost a year later since the 2016 Election results, I have a question. After you (guys) listen to this podcast again, is you and/or your team’s opinion of the 2016 Election results still the same?